Ribbon Mics.... My Brain Hurts

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I've been trying to understand these things but what little information I can find isn't helping me. For one thing all the diagrams appear to show N and S monopole magnets either side ot the ribbon. Isn't a monopole something that's either (a) impossible) or (b) just really hard to create?

Also. What happens after the ribbon has vibrated? :confused:
 
http://www.coutant.org/ribbons.html

<Also. What happens after the ribbon has vibrated?>

What do you mean by that? When a robbon doesn't vibrate it probably stands still in a very strong magnetic field.

When it moves, it will generate some current, just like the coil of a dynamic mic.
 
Okay. The ribbon vibrates and then the current flows down a wire attached to the ribbon to?
 
To a transformer.

Quote from the link I posted:

The active element is of course the ribbon, consisting of a very thin corrugated aluminum ribbon clamped under light tension and mounted between the poles of a strong magnet. The extremely low impedance of the ribbon (typically on the order of 0.2 ohm) is fed directly into a step-up transformer to match low-impedance lines (50, 250, or 600 ohms).
 
Step up transformer!


That's the chap :)

I knew they were more than just a strip of foil and a magnet.

Ta Han.
 
Huh, ribbons.... My love-hate relationship for many years and for some still to come. I made quite a few of different configurations. Still, I am fascinated--they look so simple, but they are so hard to design well. OK, nevermind.

Mark, there is no such thing as a monopole magnet. It is like--if you have top, there is a botom; if you have left, there is right; if you have N, you should have S. There are different ways of arranging magnets in ribbons, and if you see something like N-S, it means that opposite sides of magnets gonna be S-N. You can connect them by means of some kind of magnetic return circuit to make the magnetic field stronger.

The transformer, which is a very important part of the ribbon mic, is usually about 1:40 ratio. As Han has already mentioned, it serves as a impedance matcher, but also steps up a very low signal (it is really low) induced by the ribbon. Preamp is also a very big issue. Because of low sensitivity of the mic, it should be very quiet. To get the most of the ribbon mic, the impedances should be very carefully matched, often by means of transformer coupling. Some ribbon mics are designed to work with unloaded transformer inputs...
Huh, so much to say... First, try to make a search. we had some discussions on ribbons in the past...
 
Han,

What an outstanding website! I wish I had it in book form.

Do you know of others of this calibre?

Thanks, Steve
 
I think I remember reading somewhere about a magnet that will stick to another magnet just like it no matter which poles you put together... I wish I could remember where I read that at and if I can find it again I will post a link.
 
I've been dinking around with one useing a small 40lbs horseshoe magnet I bought at a local hardware and some aluminum leaf from the local art store... where the heck can I find a stepup transformer for cheap?.... I can get signal out of the mic without if I crank the gain 80db or so :) Could I tear apart a SM57 (or other cheap mic) and find one in there I could experiment with? I don't want to sink $200 into the jenson one to just mess around...

peace
sam
zekthedeadcow@hotmail.com
 
Zekthedeadcow,

Besides of Lundahl LL2911 transformer you can also use Sowter part number 8074 on their website:

http://www.sowter.co.uk

I did not use the last, however, but knowing their good reputation, I would think it should be quite decent one.
If you are in US you can get Lundahl from Kevin Carter at:

www.kandkaudio.com
 
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