Recording Guitar Tones properly!?!??!

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How is it possible to get good sounding guitar tones? I have horrible recording equipment, a cheap computer microphone and a $30 Superlux vocal mic. I use MAGIX Music Maker 2005 Deluxe. I've tried coming straight out of the amp to the computer's soundcard. I've tried stickin a mic right in front of it.... it just doesn't sound good. I listen to bands like say, System of a Down, Disturbed, Incubus.... They all have great sounding guitar tones. My amp sounds ok... I need a better amp and a better guitar, but if I could at least get the sound similar to what my amp sounds like I would be happy. What do I need to do? A better mic? I've also tried playin clean into the computer and doing the effects in the program but the distortion it creates is terrible sounding. I want a thick sounding guitar like modern bands, but I don't know where to go. What am I missing?
 
Keep in mind, the bands you speak of have a "large" budget!

Try pulling your mic back a bit, maybe a foot or two. It will give your recording more of a full-room kind of sound. It might add a little bass.

Again, you are not in a multi-million dollar recording facility.
 
TheEddo said:
I listen to bands like say, System of a Down, Disturbed, Incubus.... They all have great sounding guitar tones.

Hrm... those bands don't use 30 dollar mics for starters.

Let's take a look at what they do have that you don't:

-Probably 4-6 tube amplifiers from top manufacturers like VHT, Mesa/Boogie, Soldano, or Diezel. Average half stack cost: about 2500.

-Probably 10-30 top of the line guitars to choose from costing anywhere from 1500 to 4500 bucks like a Gibson Les Paul, vintage Telecaster, top of the line 80's PRS and so forth. Audition all the guitars to find which one fits for which song, or choose 2 or 3 of them.

-Probably a choice of all the classic microphones to compare them to see which ones work best for the sound they want... stuff like 2500 dollar U87's, 3000 dollar U47's, MD421's, RE20's and so forth.

-Probably 3-6 weeks to find where those microphones sound best done by skilled audio engineers, followed by hours of discussion among the engineers and producers about which tone will sell more albums to teeny bops.

-Probably the choice of an acoustically sound recording space at approximately the dimensions that they want, with the ability to crank it past the Tufnel Threshold and actually hit "12" without the neighbors calling the cops.

-Probably their choice of vintage and modern preamps ranging from old tube Fairchilds, to reproduction Neve pre's. None of which you can afford or even know about.

-Probably their choice of effects processing from classic compressors and EQ's such as a 1176LN or LA2A. Or heck, why not throw on the 6 thousand dollar Manley Slam? How can it hurt?

-More than likely these guitar tones will also be making a brief stop on a 250,000 dollar SSL mixing console before being routed to either Pro-Tools, a Iz Radar or 2" analog tape... probably an Otari or Studer. All three are audiophile recording standards depending on preference.

-Of course if the signal is going to Pro-Tools or the Radar the signal will be converted by a top of the line Benchmark or Apogee AD/DA box costing somewhere around 2500 bucks per channel.

-Once the guitar sound has been captured all you need to do is repeat this from 2-10 times by overdubbing and you're done. However, there is still work to be done on the audio....

-Because where would big name bands be without big name mixers to spend a few months at 2000 dollars a day to mix the songs? After that, the mastering engineer needs to come in and run the signal thru another half million dollars of gear and a few more days of work to get everything sounding perfect for the radio.

And you *wonder* why your sound isn't close to theirs? :rolleyes: The closest you will get for under a few thousand dollars--or going to a real studio--is to get a direct recording device like a POD, Tonelab or J-Station.

Just get the direct device. It beats a 30 dollar microphone and whatever amplifier you are using.
 
Rickson Gracie said:
good post cloneboy

Well, he shouldn't have asked the question because he answered it himself:

Question: "How is it possible to get good sounding guitar tones?" (Translation: why do my guitar tones suck?)

Answer: "I have horrible recording equipment"
 
can the POD, J-Station, or Tonelab be used as an effects pedal, so to speak, and play live with them or are they for recording only?
edit: just found the POD xt LIVE...answered my own question;)



And, after a bit of reading on these 3 i'm guessing the POD Line 6 Pro is the highest quality of the 3?
 
I just got the VOX Tonelab after doing much research and it sounds GREAT going directly into my 100W 1x12 solid state Fender amp. I am comparing it to the Mesa Boogie F50 (just returned to the store because it was too "metal" sounding) and a Fender Blues Jr. that had no real bottom to it. I would think a nice cab and nice power amp and a Tonelab (or the Tonelab SE floor pedal rig) would be a great sounding versatile setup for live and/or recording.

It's been said many times that the Tonelab has a more realistic and warmer sound than the PODs. Maybe it's because it has a 12ax7 tube built right into the preamp circuit.
 
arch_jedi said:
And, after a bit of reading on these 3 i'm guessing the POD Line 6 Pro is the highest quality of the 3?

Why? Because it costs the most?

You need to go out and LISTEN to those units. Demo them. Almost any guitar store will have 1 or 2 of them. You can't throw a rock and NOT hit the Line6 stuff.

Personally the Vox Tonelab whips the crap out of the Pod XT.
 
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