Recording Guitar Amp... duh!? :P

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that looks like a copy of my Demeter isolation cab..

i've had this cab for several years now, used it on many projects, and even though it has it's place still...

i find the recorded sound is boxy.

no matter what driver i use, no matter what mic, no matter how loud or soft, it always sounds boxy.

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GONZO-X said:
that looks like a copy of my Demeter isolation cab..

i've had this cab for several years now, used it on many projects, and even though it has it's place still...

i find the recorded sound is boxy.

no matter what driver i use, no matter what mic, no matter how loud or soft, it always sounds boxy.

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They say they corrected some of the flaws of boxing in the sound in it's design some how. I don't know because I haven't used one, but it looks interesting. I'm the type of guy who saves up and researches first. So, no telling if I'll end up getting one.
 
GONZO-X said:
that looks like a copy of my Demeter isolation cab..

i've had this cab for several years now, used it on many projects, and even though it has it's place still...

i find the recorded sound is boxy.

no matter what driver i use, no matter what mic, no matter how loud or soft, it always sounds boxy.

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I am not surprised that cab sounds bad. It has not been designed with any acoustic consideration.
It looks to be a near cube so all modes reinforce to a single frequency honk.

The internal walls are parallel.

The absorbent is nowhere nearly enough and is in the wrong place. The box needs to be practically filled with absorbent.

This: AxeTrak Isolation Cabinets- The ultimate guitar recording device for professional and home recording is reckoned to be very good but it is expensive.

Re power soaks. If you can handle a solder iron and nuts and bolts a 100W soak can be made for less then £50, not Motherload sonics but useful.

Another "quieting" dodge is the "sacrificial" speaker. This is a small, 3-4" woofer from a boom box or similar. It will be about 20dB less sensitive than a good guitar speaker but solder a 15Ohm 10W resistor across its terminals because eventually the voice coil will self sacrifice!

Dave.
 
I like the move the cab to a different room idea. I do that myself sometimes. I mostly track loud as fuck right next to the amp, but I don't usually use so much gain that feedback is a huge problem. But sometimes it is, and out into the hallway the cab goes.
 
ecc83 said:
Another "quieting" dodge is the "sacrificial" speaker. This is a small, 3-4" woofer from a boom box or similar. It will be about 20dB less sensitive than a good guitar speaker but solder a 15Ohm 10W resistor across its terminals because eventually the voice coil will self sacrifice!
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I tried that with my old Fender Bandmaster and blew out the 4" speaker in a month!
 
This is what I will do. I will buy a LONG 100ft speaker cable, 100ft microphone cable and move just the cab to the back room. Then I'll order some parts from radio shack to build a ROBOTIC arm that will hold the microphone. I'll attach a web cam to the robotic arm at which point I can move the microphone around the speaker cone via remote control :P
 
FoulPhil said:
Then I'll order some parts from radio shack to build a ROBOTIC arm that will hold the microphone. I'll attach a web cam to the robotic arm at which point I can move the microphone around the speaker cone via remote control :P
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Turns out that's more expensive than you might think.
 
I think it was Zakk Wilde who's dad wired a toaster to his rig to keep the cops away from the house. You could use an incandescent light bulb, or a maybe a box fan, or both! Put the bulb on the floor in front of you, with the fan blowing your hair back and you've got your video. ;)

In general it helps to have at least one other person around when you're dialing in amp sounds. One of you plays guitar and listens through the monitors while the other wears ear protection (!!!) and moves the mic around. Otherwise you'll be getting a bit of excercize.
 
ashcat_lt said:
I think it was Zakk Wilde who's dad wired a toaster to his rig to keep the cops away from the house. You could use an incandescent light bulb, or a maybe a box fan, or both! Put the bulb on the floor in front of you, with the fan blowing your hair back and you've got your video. ;)

In general it helps to have at least one other person around when you're dialing in amp sounds. One of you plays guitar and listens through the monitors while the other wears ear protection (!!!) and moves the mic around. Otherwise you'll be getting a bit of excercize.
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Actually I'm going to buy some re-amping boxes, the 100ft cables to move the cab into the back room and then I can just have the guitar playing on it's own and go in and out of the back room until it's just how I want it. This way I can have all my track pre-recorded and once I get it right re-amp it and record it all right then and there.

I prefer consistency in track to track guitar tones over having each track use different tones that best suit the songs. There isn't as much variation in the vibe. You're not going to have one song rock hard and then the next sound pretty or what ever. In death metal once you get a super brutal heavy tone that fits just right and sounds the way you want no need in changing tones around, at least in my opinion :D

I would like to know how a toaster kept the cops away lol. I don't have that problem in my neighborhood :P
 
don't the metal guys like preamp distortion?
I say that because Mesa is a big fav of the metal guys and the Mesa sound really relies on the preamp distortion.
 
Lt. Bob said:
don't the metal guys like preamp distortion?
I say that because Mesa is a big fav of the metal guys and the Mesa sound really relies on the preamp distortion.
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Yes I guess so, but it's kind of hard getting the right balance of "good sounding" distortion and thick tube crunch. I could just crank the pre-amp all the way and get a decent sounding death metal tone. Not the greatest, but workable. I kind of feel like I'm lacking some of the crunch especially in the palm muted stuff.

Here is a track I did with the pre-amp turned all the way up and the master at around 6 or 7. It was fully cranked and I like it, but I'm also missing on something. I'm not really sure and just need to experiment. It gives me more time to practice anyway...

 
No, no. No. That's not good tone. Sorry bro. It's thin and brittle and scratchy, and just not good.
 
Greg_L said:
No, no. No. That's not good tone. Sorry bro. It's thin and brittle and scratchy, and just not good.
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Yeah I know there isn't something right about it, but at the time I was mostly focusing on getting as much distortion out of it as I could. Didn't end up sounding as I wanted, but was closer to what I was going for.
 
FoulPhil said:
Yeah I know there isn't something right about it, but at the time I was mostly focusing on getting as much distortion out of it as I could. Didn't end up sounding as I wanted, but was closer to what I was going for.
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What are the tone controls set at? Seems like too much highs or presence or something.
 
I don't know, that was from 2012 lol. I wanted to work on some new music, but my comp is unreliable right now. So, I'm just going to put off all my projects until I can get everything worked out and buy some upgraded components for the "studio" lol.

I think it's an improvement to the original tones I was getting with amp sims though. Check out how bad this crap is... LOL

SoundClick artist: Flatulated - page with MP3 music downloads

I'm probably going to end up getting rid of the Jet City and buying a Peavy 6505+ 2X12 combo. Specifically just for metal. It seems to be the tried and true amp that metal heads love for some reason. I guess because it's pretty much extreme metal right out the box. I've watched a lot of videos and some amps I'm just not too sure about and some amps are WAY too expensive for me right now. I'm going to spend a lot of time at the music stores trying amps out before I put money down for sure :D
 
FoulPhil said:
I would like to know how a toaster kept the cops away lol. I don't have that problem in my neighborhood :P
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The toaster literally burns off power, so less gets to the speakers, volume is attenuated to a reasonable level, neighbors are not bothered, and the cops don't show up...

:rolleyes: Not funny, I guess.
 
FoulPhil said:
I don't know, that was from 2012 lol. I wanted to work on some new music, but my comp is unreliable right now. So, I'm just going to put off all my projects until I can get everything worked out and buy some upgraded components for the "studio" lol.

I think it's an improvement to the original tones I was getting with amp sims though. Check out how bad this crap is... LOL

SoundClick artist: Flatulated - page with MP3 music downloads

I'm probably going to end up getting rid of the Jet City and buying a Peavy 6505+ 2X12 combo. Specifically just for metal. It seems to be the tried and true amp that metal heads love for some reason. I guess because it's pretty much extreme metal right out the box. I've watched a lot of videos and some amps I'm just not too sure about and some amps are WAY too expensive for me right now. I'm going to spend a lot of time at the music stores trying amps out before I put money down for sure :D
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Lol. Yeah that should do it. The 6505 is a metal wankers dream amp. :D
 
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