Real drums - snare in the overhead - help!!

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Just remember it will also duck anything else that's happening at that time, like cymbal or tom decays.
 
Yes, but that is why you choose a fast release to minimize that effect.

Cheers :)
 
stevieg11 said:
Try compressing the OH track with a fast attack and release, side-chained from the snare track. It will duck the snare out of the OH leaving the snare close-mic to fill in the sound.
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This is exactly what I did over the weekend and it helped a lot. Luckily Reaper makes that easy. Thanks for all of your suggestions.

I started to cut the snare out of the overheads with editing, but the problem is there are cymbal hits along with the snare quite a bit.
 
Mo Facta said:
Yes, but that is why you choose a fast release to minimize that effect.

Cheers :)
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I'm not sure you can sufficiently hide the ducking effect with just the release control. I recall going through all sorts of trouble trying to mix unevenly played drums with a lot of bleed. Gates and compressors did weird things.
 
nomadx said:
This is exactly what I did over the weekend and it helped a lot. Luckily Reaper makes that easy. Thanks for all of your suggestions.

I started to cut the snare out of the overheads with editing, but the problem is there are cymbal hits along with the snare quite a bit.
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Is there a particular frequency range that's bothering you? Maybe you can take it down with one band of a multiband compressor, leaving much of the cymbals untouched.
 
bouldersoundguy said:
I'm not sure you can sufficiently hide the ducking effect with just the release control. I recall going through all sorts of trouble trying to mix unevenly played drums with a lot of bleed. Gates and compressors did weird things.
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When Nomadx mentioned 'too much in the o/h + ''in your face snare sounds- you might go in and out really fast, just long enough to take out the front edge, might steer a bit towards both.
-or take a bit more (at the release end) and mayby a bit of a cool ducking sound to boot.

I'll mention again my recently renewed surprise with even 'Cake's old Sonitus comp plug- Zero attack, min relewase (a few ms IIRC), ratio 10, 30 depending how deep you want to go will do a fantastic job of ultra fast clean drum crushing! And.. no pumping' per say to speek of..
Try that with your $2K hardware box.
Needless to say we got it really good these days :D
 
bouldersoundguy said:
Is there a particular frequency range that's bothering you? Maybe you can take it down with one band of a multiband compressor, leaving much of the cymbals untouched.
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I tried that to no avail. It took too much of the shine away from the cymbals. I used a quick attack/release and narrowed the freq range of the compression to somewhat single out the snare in the OH. Being triggered by the snare track, it took the OH snare away just enough for the actual snare track to take a front seat.
 
3 pages and 6 days later and we're still talking about removing the snare from the overheads? :D

That's like trying to remove the "A" string from a bass track. There's no good reason to do it and it will almost never work properly.

See you guys on page 6 next Sunday. :D
 
The moral of this story is "You need to set up a good drum sound BEFORE hitting the record button".

See you on page 6. :eatpopcorn:
 
At least I didn't ask a question like..."What EQ setting do I use to make my mix sound professional?" :)
 
alright nomad, this has gone on long enough... the answer is brutal but simple.

Whats done is done... there was too much snare recorded at the time of recording... either EQ it out (which will sound terrible), leave it as it is and deal... which will also sound terrible... or track it again and do it right which will give you your best results.

it all depends on if you want to half ass it or not.... whats the point of recording if you dont take the time to get it right? "here's our recording, we sound like shit but ... its really hard to retrack it right"

songs are retracked... all the damn time.
 
So what EQ setting do I use to make my mix sound professional?

:D







(it's all good. it's just music man :) )
 
One thing you may try: mult. your close snare tracks. Compress the mult. track heavily with an attack time of about 30-60 ms. Also, you may try to to eq. with a gentle boost (wide) around 3-4 khz. Check also for the meat, around 200 (more or less...it depends of your snare). Blend this track with the original to taste. It should give you more punch.
You can also try to send the mult. track to an early reflection and very short decay reverb or delay. Reflections around 25-50 ms may give to your snare track more dimension and texture that will catch the listener's ears. A subtle saturation/distortion is good for that goal too. Obviously, you play this aux channel subtly.

Hope there is something here that may help you.
 
As I stated, guys, the quick comp in the eq range of the snare in the OH did the trick well enough for me. I would think that a lot of you may not always have the luxury of micro-managing the tracking and have to deal with issues. I may also go further with mindsounds ideas of doubling the snare track for depth. Thanks everyone.

Official close of this request!! :)
 
nomadx said:
It seems like this thread struck a nerve with you, CMB. Are you okay?
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no nerve has been struck, im interested to hear the problem because i've never heard of it, and im interested in hearing the fixes... how is that a struck nerve?
 
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