Question for Everyone AND Admin(s)

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It seems the the number of spammers and rip off artists in the classified section are on the rise as of late. Also this section seems to be ever growing with more and more items for sale every day. :)

What everyones opinion (and with Admins permission of course) if we would make the Classified Link go directly to our own exclusive HomeRecording Auction type page. ;)

This would/could be an area thats for use only by the members of this site, and having it as an auction (set up exactly like ebay for example) would allow a time limit be on the items for sale (thus maybe bringing in more $$ for the sellers,,,OR a great deal for some lucky buyers) and also it might weed out the spammers and con artists. We could have feedback (like the good guys list) but individule feedback for everyone thats easily acessed, AND it could also then be set up so you can click on Paypal and pay for your item (just like ebay) if you win. Then also you could/would most likely be covered under Paypals insurance if you would be ripped off. :eek:

Having this site itself might charge a very very small percentage (maybe 2 or 3% of selling price), but that could go towards only paying for the software expenses, and the hosting space, which the admins have to pay for this site to keep it running. (would sort of help sustain any of this sites expenses and would only actually be probably pennies per auction) :)

Also, once the word is out, many more people may join the site to utilize the auction area, thus give all of us the opportunity to purchase and sell more items that would eventually be listed. Also it would probably bring new engineers and musicians to this site.

Now keep in mind, I have absolutely NO say on wheter this would fly or not as I am not an admin, but its a solution that I can probably make happen if the Admins and owners of this site would request it to.

Whats all your opinions????

A dedicated auction site on this site for JUST musical and recording gear. With Feedback ratings for the users, and ability to pay secured with Paypal or whatever we would decide to use.

Just throwin it out there as a solution to make the selling process on this site more secure, easier and beneficial.

Youll always have spammers, con artists and rip off artists, but this may be a step in trying to slow it down. Also we could get their IP's and then Ban them! :D

Whatcha think??

Thanks and Peace
AJ :cool:
 
I'd settle for a rule that says that you have to have a minimum of... say 250 posts before you can start a new thread in this section. That way people can reply to offers, but can't put stuff up unless they've been around long enough that they aren't likely to be scam artists.

That said, if somebody wants to set up an auction/for sale site, I'd be willing to help write the software. (Emphasis is on -help-. I'm good with PHP/MySQL, but only so-so at CSS layout, buttons, etc., so I'd depend on somebody good at design to refine the interface.)
 
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Or people could start using a 3rd party service like www.heatware.com they allow feedback from all sorts of forums, you have to have a legit email address, the system works for me.

This is my feedback list; http://www.heatware.com/eval.php?id=410 , from mostly selling stuff on anandtech.com (computer forums mostly, their forsale section allows you to sell ANYTHING, well almost anything).
 
dgatwood said:
I'd settle for a rule that says that you have to have a minimum of... say 250 posts before you can start a new thread in this section. That way people can reply to offers, but can't put stuff up unless they've been around long enough that they aren't likely to be scam artists.

That said, if somebody wants to set up an auction/for sale site, I'd be willing to help write the software. (Emphasis is on -help-. I'm good with PHP/MySQL, but only so-so at CSS layout, buttons, etc., so I'd depend on somebody good at design to refine the interface.)
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that soudnds like a good idea, but u can only make so many posts on a recording forum... i say we just require heatware or somthing.
 
Ebay is the biggest scam center in the world!!!. Trying to get them to do something when you get ripped off is a lot of trouble (as i recently found out).They supposedly have all sorts of safety measures in place.

Common sense is the best thing. If it looks to good to be true, it likely is. $100 computers ? Cheap stuff being sold by people who know about a music store going out of business? Those things and many more should put up flags. It's your own fault if you jump on something like that.
The bottom line is that if you are going to take a risk and buy from cyberspace humans whose true identity and even existence you can't verify, you are eventually going to get hosed.

It's too easy for dishonest people. I have said it before and I'll say it again.
DEATH TO THIEVES!!! Then maybe people would think twice about stealing.
 
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I really don't think this forum needs an Auction section. That's what eBay is for. I like the casual selling, trading etc format of this board just like it is. I think it should stay that way.

If you don't trust somebody here, just don't buy from them.

I've also bought quite alot of gear on eBay and have never been burned, deceived or received anything short of what the person was selling.

I have just learned to communicate with people by asking questions, emailing them and talking on the phone Before I commit to buying. You can tell alot about someone just from taking your time and feeling them out.

This forum is no different from the feedback on eBay. You can usually find out alot about someone from just using the Search engine on this forum. The 'Good Guys' list is our feedback reference also.

If the person posting a "For Sale" has only a few posts or has just joined you should see a red flag. No different than eBay. Would you take a chance on a 0 feedback or recently joined last week? I mean that is up to you and your common sense.

There is a whole bunch of real nice people in here. Trading, selling is easy here. I've dealt with a bunch of people from this forum with no problems whatsoever. Most are AOK 100%. Let's not start making it hard to buy, sell or trade here with a bunch of rules.

I just don't think we need any Auctions on this forum either!

My 2 cents....
Peace...Ron
 
mtx records said:
Fucking give up! i'm not the damn msblaze guy so just let it go, you fucking stupid asshole's
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Yes you are, indeed, loser.
 
dgatwood said:
I'd settle for a rule that says that you have to have a minimum of... say 250 posts before you can start a new thread in this section. That way people can reply to offers, but can't put stuff up unless they've been around long enough that they aren't likely to be scam artists.

That said, if somebody wants to set up an auction/for sale site, I'd be willing to help write the software. (Emphasis is on -help-. I'm good with PHP/MySQL, but only so-so at CSS layout, buttons, etc., so I'd depend on somebody good at design to refine the interface.)
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Nah, I don't like that idea. That just encourages scammers to make a shitload of fake posts, and then that takes away some degree of safety we might get from looking at post count as one indicator of who we can trust. I prefer to look at someone's post count, when I'm buying on the classifieds section. I generally don't buy from people with less than 50 posts.

Then again...I don't have very many posts on this forum either!

I don't like the auction idea either. Aside from that being a huge task to set up (which the admins won't do I'm certain) we already have eBay. Having an auction site here will not be any safer than buying on eBay. In fact, it would probably be far less secure.
 
SRR said:
Or people could start using a 3rd party service like www.heatware.com they allow feedback from all sorts of forums, you have to have a legit email address, the system works for me.

This is my feedback list; http://www.heatware.com/eval.php?id=410 , from mostly selling stuff on anandtech.com (computer forums mostly, their forsale section allows you to sell ANYTHING, well almost anything).
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I completely agree . . . I use Heatware as well (selling stuff on AnandTech, too). Its a great thing for people selling stuff on the internet.

My Heat
 
edyer said:
Ebay is the biggest scam center in the world!!!. Trying to get them to do something when you get ripped off is a lot of trouble (as i recently found out).They supposedly have all sorts of safety measures in place.
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Well, yes and no. Like you said being judicious in who you buy from is a smart thing. For example, I don't buy items from sellers in Florida, sellers with more than 1% negative feedback, and never from sellers with negative feedback in the last say, three months. I've made exceptions to the rule when the seller has the only one of what I want on the planet, and it's going for 17 cents :D

Out of approximately 250 purchases, only a few went bad. One guy four years ago mailed me a rock that coincidentally weighed the same as the JBL quad compressor/limiter I purchased. However, he didn't take paypal, only money orders, so he got a postal money order. When I got the rock, he emailed me a link to a video he took of him putting the item in the box. Talk about suspicious. The Postmaster General of MN agreed, and I had a fed-exed bank check 2 days later as a refund.

One seller's perception of "new" clearly is deficient. His pictures were from the manufacturer's website so I didn't see the actual unit. Not that the unit was that bad, it wasn't, and was worth 10 times what I paid for it. But even though I was the only bidder, I'd have made my maximum bid much lower had I known it was going to arrive with hammer marks :D

A few other minor problems - one item arrived broken, but the box wasn't damaged. Not enough peanuts. After a week of emailing back and forth the seller gave me a refund.

On the selling front, I've sold about 1500 auctions so far, and I've had my share of problems as well. Two were my fault - couple of years ago 10 auctions of mine closed within minutes of each other, and I accidentally mislabeled two of the similar sized boxes. So one buyer, who expected a $1500 Akai digital recorder, got a cheesy $20 turntable. And the buyer expecting the turntable, got a $1500 black box he had no idea what it was. One of the guys understood and was willing to ship the item to the other guy, at my expense, but the other guy refused to do so and shipped it back to me at my expense, then I had to ship it out to the right guy. Of course this was the recorder, and it's one heavy beast. So I spent about $250 on shipping, for three trips around the USA. Such is life, right?

Another time I screwed up, I shipped a guy a 5gig hard drive instead of a 50gig drive. An honest mistake, and I certainly made good on it and let the guy keep the 5-gig. I simply mixed up the drives and was in a 2am packing spree to get things out as quick as possible. Packing when tired is bad. Sadly, that guy left me negative feedback 3 seconds after opening the box with the wrong drive, rather than giving me the opportunity to make good on it. But that's okay, fair is fair, I did screw up.

I had one guy receive an empty box, with no bottom. Not one flap of the bottom was there, and all the peanuts were gone. He bought a super chromed, 250A alternator with a clutch I installed, as an auxilary power supply for a truck that had way to much audio gear. Clutch it on to drive the audio stuff, clutch it off to have all available engine power for quick starts off the line. Anyway, took UPS months to make good on the $200 alternator, but eventually they did. Why they hassled us, who the heck knows. The buyer of course just wanted to sit there and wait for another one, and left me to deal with the shipping carrier. Since he signed for it, UPS kinda wanted to stick me. Though to be fair to UPS, who in their right mind would sign for an empty box with no bottom?

I accept that people make mistakes, and as annoying as it is when they do, if they make good on it I'm AOK with that. No one's perfect and I prove that almost every day.

However, when sellers and buyers immediately take the defensive FU attitude, I seek nasty, hostile recourse to resolve the problem unless I've caused it.
 
mtx records said:
no didn't asshole.
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I don't know if you're MsBlaze or not, but to me it's completely irrelevent with your immature and seemingly constant swearing and hostility.

So for that reason alone, I will never buy anything from you here, or on ebay.

I prefer not to deal with immaturity if I can avoid it.
 
frederic said:
I don't know if you're MsBlaze or not, but to me it's completely irrelevent with your immature and seemingly constant swearing and hostility.

So for that reason alone, I will never buy anything from you here, or on ebay.

I prefer not to deal with immaturity if I can avoid it.
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No, you don't.
 
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