ProTools LE...not as cool as I thought..

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Well I finally got a real chance to sit down and use PT LE. I DEFINATELY like using Vegas a LOT LOT better. ha

The work flow is such a better design, in my opinion. Maybe I would really like PT if I had 2 monitors set up, so the mixer window is always open....but I like how there's basically mini mixers on each track in Vegas/other programs. That really speeds up the proccess so much more I think!

ha

However, there is one thing that I really like about PT. How you can kinda put tracks together..or should I say "takes." Like I'll have 6 vocal takes on the same track, and I can switch back and forth, and make the track that has pieces for all of the other 6, my final track that I like. I don't think vegas can do that..if it can, i've tried everything and am at a loss. But that's pretty helpful.

I'm sure there's other stuff I don't know about PT to make it easier, but after my first few uses now, I'm totally down with Vegas! haha.

No point to this thread really, other than a convorsation starter...ha
 
I suppose it is all a matter of opinion when it comes to this sort of thing. Being primarily a Nuendo user myself, I couldn't even imagine trying to do any serious audio editing in Vegas. Don't get me wrong, I use it for video editing and minor audio stuff and I find it both powerful and intuitive in that respect. But IMHO (for serious audio work), compared to PTs, Nuendo, Sonar and many others, it seems rather limited.

Then again, it's all just a matter of what works for you.
 
shackrock said:
No point to this thread really, other than a convorsation starter...ha
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and a dangerous one at that ;)

keep playin' around with it...that's all i gotta say.

:cool:
 
bennychico11 said:
and a dangerous one at that
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Why, benny! You sound like Tom DeLay putting a bounty on those gosh darn 'activist judges' --- sure you're equipped to back that up? :cool:
 
I didn't care for it much either, but then I prefer Tracktion, so go figure.
 
ssscientist said:
Why, benny! You sound like Tom DeLay putting a bounty on those gosh darn 'activist judges' --- sure you're equipped to back that up? :cool:
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sure i am. but i'm just saying don't judge a book by it's cover (or by working with it for only a few minutes). It's true of any software though.
 
shackrock said:
However, there is one thing that I really like about PT. How you can kinda put tracks together..or should I say "takes." Like I'll have 6 vocal takes on the same track, and I can switch back and forth, and make the track that has pieces for all of the other 6, my final track that I like. I don't think vegas can do that..if it can, i've tried everything and am at a loss.
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You know you can right-click drag and choose "Add as Takes", or just record over an existing take to create new takes, right? Well, once all that is done, just click somewhere and hit 'S' to split the track wherever you want, and on each split segment, you can choose which take is active for just that segment.
 
shackrock said:
The work flow is such a better design, in my opinion. Maybe I would really like PT if I had 2 monitors set up, so the mixer window is always open....but I like how there's basically mini mixers on each track in Vegas/other programs. That really speeds up the proccess so much more I think!
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by the way...you can do this in PT. Edit Window shows--> I/O view. A small section opens up on each track allowing you to change I/Os, panning, and volume information.
plus, PT offers a tear away strip for each track. allowing you to have floating windows of a track/aux information

like i said, keep exploring
 
I like Pro Tools a lot. I got my Digi 001 and literally just jumped into it and started recording. I couldn't believe how easy it was. Right now I am mixing some acoustic tracks and I have to delve a little deeper into it, but so far so good.
 
well first of all, looks like I missed a lot with PT. I guess your right...I'd have to use it a lot more before I judge. haha.

but anyhow...elevate: When I right click and drag, there is never an option to add as take. only move, copy, shuffle events, and cancel.

any ideas?
 
I've used PT for over 5 years now... Never had a problem... I will say though, it's taken me that long to utilize it's full power...
 
shackrock said:
well first of all, looks like I missed a lot with PT. I guess your right...I'd have to use it a lot more before I judge. haha.

but anyhow...elevate: When I right click and drag, there is never an option to add as take. only move, copy, shuffle events, and cancel.

any ideas?
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you have to record multiple takes in the same event first. arm a track. record take 1. with the event you just recorded still highlighted, record over it. you are not erasing the first take, even thought the waveforms disappear. to change between takes, put the cursor where you want to change out and "S" split it it. click on the event to change once to highlight it and hit "T", or shift "T" to scroll through takes... you may want to go into your prefs and make sure "show active takes in events" is checked. so you know what take you are on. been comping vocal tracks like this for years... very easy to do...
 
shackrock said:
well first of all, looks like I missed a lot with PT. I guess your right...I'd have to use it a lot more before I judge. haha.

but anyhow...elevate: When I right click and drag, there is never an option to add as take. only move, copy, shuffle events, and cancel.

any ideas?
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if you are adding existing recorded tracks to comp them, you will have to use multiple tracks in vegas and cut and splice and move the final events to one track... i have had to to this cuz i record to alesis HD24 first, but i have started just recording vocal overdubs in vegas. makes it much easier to comp.
 
DAW's I've used:

N-track
Cubase VST 32
Cubase SX
Logic Express 7
Digital Performer 4.5
Apple Soundtracks
Apple Garageband
Pro Tools (LE and TDM)

When I switched from n-track to Cubase VST I was elated at how cool everything looked and it took me a couple weeks to get used to how it works. When I switched from Cubase to Pro Tools I was elated by the routing flexibility and it took me a few days to get used to how it works.

Now I can fly through everything in PT without thinking- just like I could with n-track and Cubase when they were what I was using every day.

I recently had the opportunity to check out DP, Logic and the other programs and it felt the same way it did when I first opened up Pro Tools. "Um...now what?" I felt like I didn't know what I was doing because, well... I didn't. It would take a few days of working with it to getr competent with the new interface.

This leads me to believe that most of what causes people to prefer one interface over another is both their investment in one and the resistance to putting the time in to learn another. I was just curious about Logic and DP, but not enough to waste a couple days figuring them out.

At any rate, this leads me to be very slow to judge one program over another. Its more accurate for me to say "I'm not as comfortable in Logic as I am in Pro Tools." They are all pretty complex and flexible programs so of course it takes a while to get comfortable enough in more than one of them.

Take care,
Chris
 
shackrock said:
but anyhow...elevate: When I right click and drag, there is never an option to add as take. only move, copy, shuffle events, and cancel.

any ideas?
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I meant when you drag something onto an existing piece of audio. If the track is empty, then you'll just have the options you mentioned.
 
It's all about what you are already comfortable using. I tired really hard the other day to give the SAWstudio demo a good run, but got very frustrated at not being able to quickly move around. On the other hand, I could easily see how someone who is well versed in SAWstudio may love it and would probably have a really tough time with Cubase SX, whcih I am very proficient with.
 
When I switched from n-track to Cubase VST I was elated at how cool everything looked and it took me a couple weeks to get used to how it works. When I switched from Cubase to Pro Tools I was elated by the routing flexibility and it took me a few days to get used to how it works.

Now I can fly through everything in PT without thinking- just like I could with n-track and Cubase when they were what I was using every day.

I recently had the opportunity to check out DP, Logic and the other programs and it felt the same way it did when I first opened up Pro Tools. "Um...now what?" I felt like I didn't know what I was doing because, well... I didn't. It would take a few days of working with it to getr competent with the new interface.

This leads me to believe that most of what causes people to prefer one interface over another is both their investment in one and the resistance to putting the time in to learn another. I was just curious about Logic and DP, but not enough to waste a couple days figuring them out.

At any rate, this leads me to be very slow to judge one program over another. Its more accurate for me to say "I'm not as comfortable in Logic as I am in Pro Tools." They are all pretty complex and flexible programs so of course it takes a while to get comfortable enough in more than one of them.
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This is very, very true.

There was indeed a time where i thought ProTools was in fact inferior to Cool Edit Pro! :eek: Hehehe. Not that theres anything wrong with CEP! :o But for the record i'm a SONAR man, and i do believe it's for exactly those reasons.
 
Chris Shaeffer said:
DAW's I've used:

N-track
Cubase VST 32
Cubase SX
Logic Express 7
Digital Performer 4.5
Apple Soundtracks
Apple Garageband
Pro Tools (LE and TDM)

When I switched from n-track to Cubase VST I was elated at how cool everything looked and it took me a couple weeks to get used to how it works. When I switched from Cubase to Pro Tools I was elated by the routing flexibility and it took me a few days to get used to how it works.

Now I can fly through everything in PT without thinking- just like I could with n-track and Cubase when they were what I was using every day.

I recently had the opportunity to check out DP, Logic and the other programs and it felt the same way it did when I first opened up Pro Tools. "Um...now what?" I felt like I didn't know what I was doing because, well... I didn't. It would take a few days of working with it to getr competent with the new interface.

This leads me to believe that most of what causes people to prefer one interface over another is both their investment in one and the resistance to putting the time in to learn another. I was just curious about Logic and DP, but not enough to waste a couple days figuring them out.

At any rate, this leads me to be very slow to judge one program over another. Its more accurate for me to say "I'm not as comfortable in Logic as I am in Pro Tools." They are all pretty complex and flexible programs so of course it takes a while to get comfortable enough in more than one of them.

Take care,
Chris
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I'm taking a digital Recording class at my local Collegeand we have a Mac G5 with Logic 7 Pro, and man - it is INCREDIBLE. An amazing piece of Software.
Some guys there recorded 24 tracks of Audio with full processing on a "Mac Mini" ($500) and it didn't even so much as hiccup.

So, I know which road I'm going to be going.

We also have a TC Electronics rackmount version of "Core" of Plugins but I haven't even used those - I've just used what comes with Logic and it's unreal.

We're using MOTU interfaces with Presonus Blue Tube and Drawmer preamps (with a U87 and a Rode on those), and 24 Channels of Mackie controllers.

I'm trying to get some money saved because next semester I'm going to buy this set up because I can Get one copy of Logic through the school for $500 rather than the regular price of $1,000.

Plus it's got a TON of Soft Synths and a drum Software that sounds amazing.


The beauty of Logic is that Mac redesigned everything a while back and now use "Audio Units", and it works at Machine level instead of haing to be "translated through several levels of processing - it does it at the basic level so it is super efficient.



Tim
 
Yeah, Logic's got it going on. If you can figure it out. Always seemed odd to me that its called Logic when it seems to be among to more difficult interfaces to learn. Powerful, but difficult. Most high end apps are like that, anyway. The more it CAN do the harder it is to get it to do what you want.

Stiil, its good to hear that the Mac mini held up so well. That really is good efficiency.

-C
 
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