Pro Tools. Yea or Nay?

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when i look at other programs like sonar and logic to me they just seem like using chief architect rather than Autocad... but either way i dont care what others think of PTLE im happy with it and so our many other users that i know... Another thing that makes me mad, when people bash PTLE is they always seem to talk with out knowing with they are talking about... some fool on another forum was rambling on about how theres not enough tracks and he uses like 30 midi tracks on his sessions and 32 tracks wouldnt be enough... he was too dumb to get his info straight and find out protools give you 256 midi tracks and 32 audio tracks...
 
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bennychico11 said:
have any of you people who are complaining against pro tools actually used it?
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yes, I have, and I didn't like it at all. I'm not here to bash PT users, but it makes me aggressive when people who get a cheap PT LE bundle (which, in my opinion, is far inferior to most other software+interface out there) kinda like get snobby and say all the time "yeah, I use "THE industry standard", when they keep ignoring that PT TDM is the industry standard for reasons already mentioned above.

But honestly: if I'd run a commercial facility, I'd run PT TDM just for the "marketing factor", and have a mic locker stocked with all kinds of famous logos just to attract customers. However, as an independent artist, PT just doesn't make sense to me coz I can get far more bang for the buxx with other programs.

BTW: other brands are copy protected too, like Logic (USB dongle, very handy coz you can have it installed on many machines and just have to bring your USB dongle on your key chain with you)
 
Giganova said:
BTW: other brands are copy protected too, like Logic (USB dongle, very handy coz you can have it installed on many machines and just have to bring your USB dongle on your key chain with you)
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it's obviously not working...since you can download Logic off of Kazaa and use a crack with it


if you've used PT extensively (and i'm not say just one or two days out of your life and then gave it up) and still think there's something better out there....then great! go for it! it's all opinion on what you like to use. i just made that comment because so many people bash it before they try it.
 
foreverain4 said:
protools LE limits you to your hosts computers processing power. you cannot use dsp cards like the uad1 or tc powercore. that, in my mind, is a MAJOR limitation....
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I think it's now possible to use the uad1 with PTLE via a VST-RTAS wrapper.

:)
 
from what i understand the protools hardware doesn't work too well with other programs. and the protools software has fits with non-protools hardware.
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"What you understand" is incorrect. My 001 works with every piece of software I own that supports MME, ASIO, or WDM. I use it with FlStudio, Wavelab, even Winamp.
protools LE limits you to your hosts computers processing power. you cannot use dsp cards like the uad1 or tc powercore. that, in my mind, is a MAJOR limitation....
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You can, if you use the fxpansion VST-to-RTAS adapter. $80 and it runs every VST plugin and instrument I have inside of Pro Tools. It works with both those cards.
 
charger said:
"What you understand" is incorrect. My 001 works with every piece of software I own that supports MME, ASIO, or WDM. I use it with FlStudio, Wavelab, even Winamp.You can, if you use the fxpansion VST-to-RTAS adapter. $80 and it runs every VST plugin and instrument I have inside of Pro Tools. It works with both those cards.
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the VST to RTAS adapter sucks ass. It enjoys consuming processing power. Its true that you can use the 001 or 002 with practically any program on your computer. However, you're limited to 2 outputs. Its not like you could run Cubase and use all the analog ins on the 002 to track drums...
 
mmistudent said:
the VST to RTAS adapter sucks ass. It enjoys consuming processing power. Its true that you can use the 001 or 002 with practically any program on your computer. However, you're limited to 2 outputs. Its not like you could run Cubase and use all the analog ins on the 002 to track drums...
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again, this is incorrect. this is taken directly from the Digi site in regards to the ASIO driver:

Full-duplex recording and playback of 24-bit audio is supported at sample rates up to 96 kHz, depending on your Digidesign hardware and ASIO-compatible audio program.
The Digidesign ASIO Driver will provide up to 18 channels of I/O depending on your Pro Tools hardware:
Up to 18 channels of I/O with Digi 002 and Digi 002 Rack (or 18 in and 16 out with S/PDIF Mirroring enabled)
Up to 18 channels of I/O with Digi 001 (or 18 in and 16 out with S/PDIF Mirroring enabled)
Up to 2 channels of I/O with Mbox and Audiomedia III systems
 
If your opening a commercial studio PRO TOOLS compatibility is almost a MUST(there are a few out there that are able to get by w/o it though). You either need Pro Tools or some program that can convert pro tools to that platform you are using.
 
mmistudent said:
the VST to RTAS adapter sucks ass. It enjoys consuming processing power.
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Actually the VST to RTAS adapter has very little overhead at all. I'd say 1% or less from what I've seen. I have been able to use all my VST and VSTi plugins with no problems.
mmistudent said:
Its true that you can use the 001 or 002 with practically any program on your computer. However, you're limited to 2 outputs. Its not like you could run Cubase and use all the analog ins on the 002 to track drums...
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Funny, I was using 8 inputs through my 001 with ASIO in FLStudio the other day--to track drums--weird, just had a Bizarro world moment there.

Ever actually tried the hardware and software you pan?
 
=bennychico11 (by the way, how much is Nuendo 2.0 now??)
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I don't know and I don't care.

I use Tracktion and it's only $80.

And you left out the cost of the computer!
 
ssscientist said:
I don't know and I don't care.

I use Tracktion and it's only $80.

And you left out the cost of the computer!
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you get any hardware with tracktion?
and what does the computer cost have anything to do with this discussion?
 
joemintz said:
There seems to be a lot of animosity towards Digidesign, Pro Tools, and units such as the Mbox and 002.

There also seems to be a lot of rave reviews of these items.

I've heard loads of contradictory information on both sides, often with little justification. I'm curious to hear people's reasons for either supporting or hating Digidesign and its products.
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Oh my God, not another I love/Hate Pro Tools thread :eek:

I shouldn't get involved this time.

Maybe just a quick summary:
- I have the Digi 002R and I love it (and I can compare, I worked with several other DAW's and software).

- I respect other software platforms, but for some reason or another some people want to bash PT in several threads. I don't mean this one, it is created for the subject of discussing Pro Tools, but I find often when ppl just ask a PT related question they get bitched because using it.

Everybody can compare the specs of the different software/hardware packages. I personally prefer Pro Tools LE for several reasons but I respect the rest.

Case closed
 
well protools is cool, I cubase sx.... I have used that Motu digital performer and sonar.... guess what ALL MODERN SEQUENCERS ARE THE SAME DAMN THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Logic, Cubase, Sonar, Digital Peformer, Protools are all the same and one is no better that an other, since they are all the same damn thing.

I mean come on the only thing different are the key commands, which you can import in anyways, to make the same as the other sequencer if you are to lazy to learn something new? Who doesn't enjoy learning something new.


If you want to talk about windows vs. mac they are the same damn thing too, except macs run music easier, I guess lol. I have seen my home studio and the protools studio at my college have the same probelms so whatever. Just don't get the mix 24 control board, IT BLOWS. I goto SJSU and digidesign hooks us with stuff, we had had to send that board up to digidesign like every semester. The icon board looks dope as a replacement to the control 24. I wish I had the money for the new Fatty nuendo controller, watch out digidesign.

I always root for the underdog, Steinberg vs. Digidesign. Just like I rooted for AMD over intel when they came out, even though I bought a p4 for my system.... hey it was better then that 2600 athlon crap... the next generation kicked intels ass though, Hooray! I love when the #1 losses and becomes #2. Capitalism OWNS.
 
Giganova said:
well: me ;) you'd be surprised how complex the arrangemenets of trance and other electronic music genres are. Some of my songs have more than 40 tracks, which includes tons of VSTs, of course. I know its ridiculous, but I wouldn't wanna be limited by my recording/sequencing software.
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Well if thats the kind of "music" you do then of course you wouldnt use pro tools would you.


pro tools LE is great for audio but not as well equiped for MIDI

Go for the 002
 
Giganova said:
What do you imply by the quotes?
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He is referring to midi features of pro tools as a sequencer. I will have to agree there are better programs out there for midi. Digital Performer to name one. This is just my opinion as a Pro Tools user and Im sure others will disagree but again its only my opinion.

Peace
Eddie
 
Prolly NAY

:cool: I just picked up a bunch of gear and a Digi001 with PT LE 6.4 iwas ncluded and for the life of me I cant get that dog workin on my brand new PC. Seems like pro tools has a bunch of issues with XP service pack 2, idk It could be me but I think I'm just gonna sell it and go with something more simple to use like cubase system4 or or firepod or something like that.
 
fluxburn said:
guess what ALL MODERN SEQUENCERS ARE THE SAME DAMN THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Logic, Cubase, Sonar, Digital Peformer, Protools are all the same and one is no better that an other, since they are all the same damn thing.
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Not at all. I use both Protools and Digital Performer, and while they both can do similar things like record audio or record midi, their features and strengths are quite different.

When it comes to midi, ProTools is really bare-bones. It is easy to see it's origins as an audio recorder/editor. And for that it is great. The midi features of Digital Performer are *much* more advanced, and you can see how that program arose from being a midi sequencer.

So it is a gross simplification to say that DP and PT (to name two) are the same because they both record digital audio. They are very different in many ways, and each will be better for different people.
 
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