Pre-amps in TASCAM consoles

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Before I start worrying about comparing my 520 to goldplater supereingang whatsit, I need to chase down all the ground gremlins causing hum all over the place. . .


LOL. Ha. My M308's where like some kind of gigantic superheterodyne antenna/receiver or something. I mean, I picked up CB operators for miles around and then we had the US Naval Shipyard electronics shop here for years and years. They rebuilt and tested every kind of radar and sonar system known to man and tested them right there which just happened to be about five miles, as the duck paddles, down river from my house. What a bunch of racket I would get over those consoles. I actually considered put up a Faraday cage around the studio at the time. It for sure cost me a bundle to set up my current setup with islolation tranformers and such but I would never, ever want to go through that several years of agony again.
 
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I still reason that the improvement one can make to one's skills will vastly overshadow any differences in the quality of the gear. The people, IMHO, that can truly appreciate those "differences" are ones who are either so far ahead of the pack, recording wise, with years of experience or one's who just enjoy boutique stuff.

True...though once your skills (playing & recording) are fairly up to snuff and you find you are not getting the quality level you are expecting...then you may need to upgrade.

But yeah...I too see some guys who really DO think it's all in the gear...the $3k preamps...the $2k mics...the boatload of fancy plug-ins.

I have a TASCAM M3500...it's in tip-top shape for a 20-year old board.
I've thought about upgrading to something like a Trident or a similar kind of console vibe...but I've yet to feel let down enough by my 3500 to want to change.
I do keep my eyes open, and maybe if the right console came up for the right price and something I didn't have to spend months and $$$ overhauling just to get it back to operating level, I would go for it...otherwise, I'm happy with my 3500 for the time being.
I do have a bunch of outboard preamps...but it's more about flavors and not because the TASCAM pres suck. They are decent...not bad, not fabulous.
 
Since I've never owned an outboard pre-amp, I'm wondering what I'm missing.

Quite often we think we're missing 'something' because we don't have 'it' or because we hear alot about 'it'. My only question would be "Are you happy with what you have ? Does it do for you what you need it to ?".
 
Tascam Gear & other Affordable Classics

The saying that if you can't make a hit record with a TASCAM or FOSTEX, you're not going to do it with a STUDER or a 50K vintage console, rings so true. Really, there are other reasons for TASCAM gear not having the resale value and it has nothing to do with its capability.

I wish more musicians would research / ask about / study / practice recording and not go off with yet another "which sub 1K preamp would you recommend" question.

Hey there everyone;

Wow., what a GREAT thread and what a wonderful forum~! I am new here and actually came here EXACTLY for this topic (in a round about way). I recently had the opportunity to purchase a venerable old Tascam M-520 console in excellent condition and for a very modest price, but it was going to be a four hour drive each way for me get it., and soo., I wanted to do some research first.

I began my recording career back in the '70's with a Tascam Model 5 and a 3340 (moved to a 40-4) using a Revox A-77 half track for mixdown. SM-57's & 58's and a bag of EV RE-10's 15's & a 20 and such that I got from a radio station, used my living room for the studio (drums), bathroom for "iso" (guitar, vox, etc.) and the bedroom for control. Then LIFE happened.

Baby came, better job, rent, more expenses and my Studio went into storage. I still own a crusty 57 or two and an EV RE from that era and some fond memories, but little else. Some years ago I began thinking about "retirement" (OK, so it was way more than just SOME years ago) and what I was going to eventually do about achieving My Lifelong Dream of having A Recording Studio.

I began assembling and closeting pieces of gear here and there and grabbed a Seck 1882 mixer in mint condition while they were still around (British design & sound console targeted squarely at the Home Recording market). But when I saw this Tascam M-520, a Real Mix Desk, I really began to salivate, but realized that I needed to perform some due diligence first.

From all of my reading here and elsewhere regarding the M-520, and my life experience as an engineering tech (soldering iron in hand by 12 building Ham gear, working for Grumman Aerospace doing NASA soldering on aircraft, RADAR, weapons and Nav systems by 22), I can "smell" good, basic, well designed equipment and it does not all have to be high end "boutique" to get the job done.

When I first heard (saw) the Beatles on Ed Sullivan as a young child (not even sure if we had a COLOR TV yet!), I just KNEW that this was MAGIC and something that would affect my Life forever. Those Beatles records were recorded (like the equipment that we sent a man to the moon) on gear that is SO far eclipsed by almost anything built today that it is insane.

Soo., to the OP, I say thanks for bringing this specific subject to the foreground at this particular time for me and to the other posters who have replied, I give a hearty thanks for re-enforcing what I have already sensed to be true. With the Great Moooove (MOOO) to digital, many are discarding wonderful gear for a pittance in deference to newer, more fashionable gear.

Is this newer, faster, flashier gear better? Perhaps what is more pertinent is to ask, What gets the job DONE?! The magic of The Beatles, OR of YOUR next hit (or not) album or tracks that makes musical history (perhaps not even in your lifetime, for goodness sake), may be more in your own hands and ears than in the gear that you happen to be using.

I have an amateur vinyl record pressing (very limited) of some folks hanging out just jamming here locally from the mid '60's or so (I think) and which somehow ended up in my hands. There is a bunch of noise and noisy partying and jamming on this LP, but then at one point there is one bit that comes through and is unmistakable in it's prescience & character.

This unmistakable character was the voice and guitar playing of Jimi Hendrix~! Possibly (probably) recorded on a cheap Home Recording system with passable equipment and then pressed for personal interest / archive with no forethought to making anything even closely resembling "commercial". But, still, that Jimi MAGIC comes through and is evident.

I am thinking that too much emphasis is easily placed on making everything way pristine and "perfect", when in reality, the shear beauty of Human Created Music is, at least in part, in it's imperfections. There is a great Star Trek episode where Data is composing and performing music that is "too perfect" and has no SOUL because it is just too., perfect. Hmmm.,

At the same time, we obviously want to be able to capture as much of that inherent MAGIC with as little of any distracting ambient noise and this is where our "modern equipment" shines. We have come a long way from recording sound on magnetic wire (and then tape), but most of todays (last 20 years) gear is much more than adequate for this purpose.

I am now THRILLED with my "new" Tascam M-520 (Sweetbeats, you may recognize this console, I think?) and am even more thrilled with the prospects of what I will create while using this board and all of the fun that will accompany the making of this MAGIC and music. For those of us who just love to "get under the hood", this classic old (and now AFFORDABLE) gear holds even more endless pleasures. What a GREAT time to be HERE~!

Thanks again to everyone. Here is my own recent personal addition towards the making of that Magic & Music;

Tascam M-520

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Here is my own recent personal addition towards the making of that Magic & Music;

Tascam M-520

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..........droooooooooooolllll..................

I'm so wanting one of those to pop up on this side of the country. I'd sell my two other mixers just to have the 520... I know there is one for sell (or was at least, haven't checked in the past day or so) in Pennsylvania, but that's a bit far to drive from Texas.:p
 
Tascam Treasures

..........droooooooooooolllll..................

I'm so wanting one of those to pop up on this side of the country. I know there is one for sale in Pennsylvania, but that's a bit far to drive from Texas.:p

Hey., Pennsylvania is only a "short drive" for me, though Penn is a LOOOOONG state and so, the far end of Pa. could indeed be FAR. Perhaps I can assist in some way (I have relatives in Austin)?

So many of these "deals" are local pick-up only and the M-520 (not to mention the 3500, 3700) are big, bulky, unwieldy hunks of technology, so shipping is tedious and tough at best.

I consider my four hour drive to Boston for the local pick-up of this M-520 just part of the adventure and now see a couple of other cool (droool) consoles for sale.

Keep your eyes open, scan eBay, Craigslist and any other medium and I am sure that something will cross your path soon enough. Now is a perfect time to be looking.

People are short on cash (me too!), and downsizing, space wise AND as I stated above, are moooving en masse to the new hot digital formats for many reasons.

I was NOT shopping for an analog console and have been playing with Cubase and a Presonus Firepod and a computer, but there is no reason why not to use a classic old console as my studio center point.

Soo., when I was researching "Tascam" to see what I could get for my minty (still with boxes) TSR-8 and 3030 half track, I just happened to see this M-520 and then it was all over. LOL

All the best to you in your search.

~
 
I was watching that on craigslist too. Considered it but didn't need it.
 
I was watching that on craigslist too. Considered it but didn't need it.

Bah! I don't need half of the stuff I have, but I just had to have it.:D I couldn't pass up the deals on some of the stuff. That's how I wound up with a TSR-8 and a 38. I've got two mixers, but I think the 520 would make them pale in comparison. I could just look at the M520 and never do anything else, it's such a work of art. However, I would definitely be thrilled to put it to use!

I'd like to get a FW-1082 to use with my laptop, but I'm in no hurry. I've got plenty of analog gear to play with.;)
 
But., I don't "need" it ., ;-)

I was watching that on craigslist too. Considered it but didn't need it.

Watching "that" on Craigslist., watching WHAT on CL?

Goodness, as I look around my house there is SO much that I have here that I do not "need"., and not just recording gear either! Yikes.,

Regarding the original post; I just recalled something that an old timer ham radio operator told me (he built his own gear back in the '50's);

"The clearest, cleanest signal is always going to be through plain old bare wire."

In other words, the more processing, automation, EQ, plug-ins, add-ons, signal routing, amps, op-amps, reducers, expanders, limiters, compressors or anything else between what goes in and what comes out is only going to REDUCE or degrade (to a point) what was already there in the first place.

Simpler is arguably better?
 
Speaking of Tascam preamps, one of the last times the 3700 was cranked up around here 3 or so years ago was for a couple of days of comparing an ADL600, Neve Portico, and a Manley tube something or other that were all in here at the same time. And just for the heck of it, the 3700 channel strip too. All at various conservative-to-wild volume etc settings. All with a Lawson L47 and multiple passes of a guitar and then passes of various vocals. Some passes to tape. Some to the computers. At various times since then, the guys here listen to those comparisons and we all still basically shrug our shoulders. They all sound great. Even the 3700. Subtle differences and that's about it .

In 78 or so, I had done this with a model 5 and model 3 against a Sound Workshop 1680 or something that we were selling in those days. The Tascams were not very good, little depth, and it was generally an easy upsell to the Sound Workshop for the serious-type guys who were lined up every day to buy 80-8s.

The 3700 though was, and is a fine fine console imo. At the time in 91 or so when I bought mine, it was worth every penny of its $16,000 price.
 
Tascam M-520 Manual

Hey, did you get the manual? I was finally able to upload it. :)

YES., got it~! Thanks Tim., Muchas Gracias~

And that is much more than just a user manual. Looks like a service manual as well. Good stuff. Thanks again. Will come in very handy indeed.
 
Tascam M-520 & M-3700 Preamps

Speaking of Tascam preamps, one of the last times the 3700 was cranked up around here 3 or so years ago was for a couple of days of comparing ., At various times since then, the guys here listen to those comparisons and we all still basically shrug our shoulders. They all sound great. Even the 3700. Subtle differences and that's about it .

The 3700 though was, and is a fine fine console imo. At the time in 91 or so when I bought mine, it was worth every penny of its $16,000 price.

Does anyone know what (if any) are the differences between the Tascam M-520 preamps (and perhaps the successive signal path) and the preamps / signal path of the M-3700 series?

I am guessing that the M-520 is an older model, but I am not certain of this. It would be interesting to know of the lineage in design.
 
Bah! I don't need half of the stuff I have, but I just had to have it.:D

In other words, I needed the money MORE than I needed IT.

Or maybe "wanted" is a better word. ;)

I'm pretty happy with what I have right now and I've not even scratched the surface of using it. Soon I'll be back in the game. I have pretty clear ideas of the certain things I "need" and don't. :D
 
Goodness, as I look around my house there is SO much that I have here that I do not "need"., and not just recording gear either! Yikes.,

Well, why don't you sell them and buy more essential music gear. :D;)
 
In other words, I needed the money MORE than I needed IT.

Or maybe "wanted" is a better word. ;)

I'm pretty happy with what I have right now and I've not even scratched the surface of using it. Soon I'll be back in the game. I have pretty clear ideas of the certain things I "need" and don't. :D

Don't get me wrong, I've got a good setup, just need a couple more mics. It's just the situation of if I had the opportunity to get a M-520, I would sacrifice my M-2516 and Soundcraft boards (both 16 channel) to make room for the M-520.;)
 
Don't get me wrong, I've got a good setup, just need a couple more mics. It's just the situation of if I had the opportunity to get a M-520, I would sacrifice my M-2516 and Soundcraft boards (both 16 channel) to make room for the M-520.;)

I've heard some recordings, from people here, that used that board. They sounded pretty good too. I'm pretty happy with my M-35. Some might think it's antiquated but for me it would be a shot in the dark to expect some thing in the ball park is going to be so much better. And I'm only running a 4 track, so I don't need all the extra channels. Looks like a great board though. I was very tempted to scoop it. What is it you like about it so much?

I'd really love to be in a situation to compare different boards though. I actually sold my 308 and kept my M-35. Because I liked it that much more. I kind of attached to the eq's it has too.
 
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