Powerful Mac G4?

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1st of all I'll preface this by stating "I would love the FASTEST computer". I recorded for a long time on a G3 - I made movies on a G3 too and had a ball doing it. I moved up to a Sawtooth G4 (400 mhz.) and had a ball. I moved up to a Digital Audio Dual 450 G4 and had a ball. I now record using a 1st gen 20" Imac G5 (1.8 ghz.) with 2 gigs of ram - I run Logic Studio 9 on it and I have a ball. The specs on Studio 9 said it required an Intel-based Mac - WRONG - my PPC G5 runs it fine. I have a "bud" in the Apple Logic forums who is running Logic 9 with 512 megs of ram. He had 1.5 gigs but his 1-gig chip went bad - he's too poor right now to buy another one and is running Logic with 1 512-meg chip! He sent me some clips he just did and they sounded amazing using Amp Designer and the Pedalboard in Logic - WITH 512-MEGS OF RAM. He figured out how to GIT-R-DONE.

I don't record an entire Symphony Orchestra - I record me, playing my guitar. Then I add a Bass track, then some drums (usually loops cause I'm lazy - but when I feel froggy I use my Yamaha midi keyboard to do the percussion stuff. Then I might add keyboard, midi instruments, whatever... I layer tracks 1 at a time and I get by just fine. I'll wager to say probably 90% of "Home Recording" folks are just like me - lone wolves who do one track at a time... sure the fastest and best would be great but there's thousands and thousands of us (more like millions and millions) who get by with older machines and figure out ways to GIT-R-DONE. I know PC dudes from other forums using old outdated Windows XP machines who produce fantastic sounding stuff. In the GuitarAmpModeling forums there are guys from 3rd world countries getting by with old outdated stuff we'd probably set out with the trash - but they're recording with these rigs. I have a "new" Windows 7 64-bit laptop with dual 2 ghz Intel chips & 4-gigs of ram and I record with it too - my 2005 Mac can do everything it does and actually with a lot less "issues"...

Don't get so caught up in the "Fastest & Best" philosophy. All of us aren't rich and most of us can't afford to chuck out a perfectly good computer cause it's getting a bit "long in the tooth". There's DAW's that work fine with slower computers... just limit the plug-ins, tweak the OS - keep all the additional stuff from running in the background - WHATEVER it takes.

I don't plan on getting another G5 as long as my "old one" gets the job done and I can still have fun doing what I like with it. I don't care about Snow Leopard - 10.5 is sweet. When and if they quit producing anything for my PPC machine I'll make do with what I have right now THAT RUNS FINE ON IT. And if I happen to win the lottery or come into a sudden Windfall of $$$$ maybe I'll buy a killer new 27" Imac.

'nuff said - I just don't want noobs, wanting to get into recording, to think it's impossible without buying the "newest and fastest". I'm having a great time with an OLD computer. My interface is a 2005 model too (Boss GS-10) but it produces beautiful sound. What I have right now in front of me is a RECORDING STUDIO - and it doesn't have to "break the friggin' bank" to work fine.
 
'nuff said - I just don't want noobs, wanting to get into recording, to think it's impossible without buying the "newest and fastest". I'm having a great time with an OLD computer. My interface is a 2005 model too (Boss GS-10) but it produces beautiful sound. What I have right now in front of me is a RECORDING STUDIO - and it doesn't have to "break the friggin' bank" to work fine.

Have you not read the posts in this thread???

This isn't about having the latest and greatest - its about making a wise investment.

G5's have no future in terms of software offerings and are already stuck in the past in that they cannot even run the latest version of OS X. Digidesign has already said there will be on future versions of Pro Tools for PPC Macs.

The writing is already on the wall - you don't seem to have read it.

I even told the guy to go hunt down a USED Intel Mini...
 
I have read EVERY word in this thread - And I still contend that those of us running older G5's still run a beautiful OS - Leopard 10.5 runs sleek and great - SNOW LEOPARD really isn't much different. I could run Pro Tools right now - maybe not the NEXT version but the people running Pro Tools on their PPC Macs are recording fine with their current configurations. I don't want Pro Tools (not my bag) so I run Logic - I have probably 100+ plug-ins right now in my arsenal and I have a great system with a PPC G5. People running older versions of Pro Tools and OS X are accomplishing the same end result as those running the newest OS and the newest, AND HE NEXT INCANTATION, of Pro Tools. I know guys running 5 year old versions of Logic on G4's and older Pro Tools systems and they still record fine with the SAME END RESULT. They can continue running these configurations forever and still have great RECORDING SOLUTIONS.

You could buy a 1st gen PPC Imac (like mine) and run Pro Tools 8 till the cows come home - and you'd still have a whole home studio at your disposal.

That's my opinion. Buy an older G5 - buy Pro Tools, or Logic, Cubase, Studio One, WHATEVER and have a ball. You do not need an INTEL Mac to have a great system that'll continue to work for years to come. Just use what you have and have fun. Spend the extra $$$ on hardware like I do.
 
That's my opinion. Buy an older G5 - buy Pro Tools, or Logic, Cubase, Studio One, WHATEVER and have a ball. You do not need an INTEL Mac to have a great system that'll continue to work for years to come. Just use what you have and have fun. Spend the extra $$$ on hardware like I do.

If you already have a g3,4 or 5 and it works and you are not worried about near term support issues then why uprade sure it makes sense. Plenty of people made good music on the then cuurent software when apple still made PPCs and if you already have all your software needs taken care of and see no need to upgrade in the near term then you're fine. just buy whatever is current when it finally craps out

If you are buying now buy somewhat current, at least intel based. Why would you want to buy into a machine that is already being removed from support by apple and it's software.
You can force a PPC to run snow Leopard and Logic 9, I'm not sure about forcing it to run later version of protools but why would you if you can just get an intel based machine for about the same price

It's really not about performance of CPU/GPU/HDD etc almost no "Home recordist" really needs even a mid range dual core but if you buy a PPC now, you are basically taking yourself out of the market for current and future software development. That's kind of a dumb thing to do if you have the option to buy in intel
 
What are some decent specs I should look for in buying my Intel mac mini? Will a 1.66 ghz cpu be enough or should i go with +2.0ghz? and what about Ram, 2GB? Thanks a ton!
 
What are some decent specs I should look for in buying my Intel mac mini? Will a 1.66 ghz cpu be enough or should i go with +2.0ghz? and what about Ram, 2GB? Thanks a ton!

My CoreDuo just about keeps up with Logic 8 with 1Gb of RAM.

Stick with at least a 1.66 or 1.8 Core2Duo and max out the RAM (4Gb will cost you less than $100 nowadays.
 
My Core2Duo dell laptop, with the absolutely horrible ricoh chip (if you are getting a mac, try very hard to get the excellent TI version instead of the Lucent or Argere) easily does 64 buffers for 24 tracks in of 24 bit 44khz with 10 outputs when using motu or rme drivers

That's on the stock 5400 rpm drive. Its also using reaper, but I would be surprised if the non Dice-2 midiman cards that pt mpowered can run with wouldnt do the same at 256 buffers or better. For the dice-2 midiman stuff, it'll be a bit sketchier, but again, not dependant so much on the cpu speed
 
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