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istyle
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i saw some artists earned many thousands bucks
Do they really get paid that amount?
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Do they really get paid that amount?
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Dolemite
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I'm pretty sure you have to subscribe to their "Premium Artist Service" to see any of that money, but then I think you do get it somehow. It sounds kind of dumb to have to pay them to get paid...but as long as you earn more than the subscription costs, it seems like a good enough idea.
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Ray J
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Yes, you're paid quarterly. As long as you've made more than $50 that quarter, you get paid, if not, it acrudes(sp) until you have $50 or more then you get a quarterly check next time around. The checks have been late before, but I"ve been there since Sept 2000 and have always been paid what I am owed.
The Premium artist thing started a few months ago. Before this, the site was totally free and everyone was eligible for Payback, since the inception of Premium artist service(PAS) only those who sign up are eligible for Payback. The cost is $19.99/mo.
Pretty steep considering you get between 1 and 4 cents per play, but if your making the $20/mo then your playing with the house's money.
Ray J
http://www.mp3.com/RJohnson
The Premium artist thing started a few months ago. Before this, the site was totally free and everyone was eligible for Payback, since the inception of Premium artist service(PAS) only those who sign up are eligible for Payback. The cost is $19.99/mo.
Pretty steep considering you get between 1 and 4 cents per play, but if your making the $20/mo then your playing with the house's money.
Ray J
http://www.mp3.com/RJohnson
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JimH
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I'm glad this question came up, cos I was just about to ask it. Actually, I was going to ask how many plays you need to get to $50. One more question, though, Ray. I recently put a few songs up on mp3.com for a friend who doesn't have Internet access. Since I haven't pushed (advertised) it or anything, there have been just a very few plays. But if you get a penny or two per play, then I should have at least seen something. But all I ever saw was $0.00. Is this because of premium artist thing? Will it always stay at zero if you don't sign up?
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maryslittlesecret
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I'm not sure on the details exactly, but I believe you have to have a minimum number of plays before they start throwing the pennies your way.
Click on the amount on anyones mp3.com page and it will show you what they've done for the month, in terms of th number of eligible plays they've received and how (or if) they got paid for them.
I have yet to figure it out (or even make enough money for it to be worth my time to figure it out) ;-)> but I believe there is some sort of logic to it...
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http://www.mp3.com/30SoS/
Click on the amount on anyones mp3.com page and it will show you what they've done for the month, in terms of th number of eligible plays they've received and how (or if) they got paid for them.
I have yet to figure it out (or even make enough money for it to be worth my time to figure it out) ;-)> but I believe there is some sort of logic to it...
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http://www.mp3.com/30SoS/
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JimH
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Oh, hey, very cool. I never clicked on that before. I didn't realize you could look at anyone else's statistics. Thanks.
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sondriven
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JimH,
It takes a lot of downloads and plays to really make any money. Definitely hold off on the Premium Service. Cause unless you get like 10,000 downloads. You're gonna pay the Service Fee, when its not really worth it.
www.mp3.com/sondriven
See how much I have made!
300 downloads!
Good Luck to you, John
It takes a lot of downloads and plays to really make any money. Definitely hold off on the Premium Service. Cause unless you get like 10,000 downloads. You're gonna pay the Service Fee, when its not really worth it.
www.mp3.com/sondriven
See how much I have made!
300 downloads!
Good Luck to you, John
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JimH
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sondriven,
No, I'm not gonna pay for the Premium service. I wonder if there are any other sites like mp3.com that pay you without requiring a service fee.
I was looking at Ray J's page since he's in this thread and he's gotten about 2.5 cents per play. That's about what you've gotten overall, although the month of June didn't work out that way. So one would need to average about 27 plays per day to break even. (However, maryslittlesecret got about 4.5 cents per play. Wonder what the secret is?)
I haven't read the rules in detail, but my theory is that an artist's earnings are relative to other artist's earnings. That is, mp3.com gives out X dollars per day. Whatever percentage of the total mp3.com daily plays your page got, that's the percentage of the X dollars you get. I noticed that someone else's page got paid four cents for having 6 plays one day. My friend's page also got 6 plays in a day (a different day) and didn't get paid anything. So that's where I got the theory. Plus, this would limit the amount of money mp3.com has to give out to a constant, known value, which I'm sure the bean counters like.
I noticed that the mp3.com rules warn you against joining clubs or web rings that will increase your counts. So I imagine there must be clubs of people who agree to click on the songs of everyone else in the club. So together they get more cash out of mp3.com. I wouldn't want to compete against those people.
No, I'm not gonna pay for the Premium service. I wonder if there are any other sites like mp3.com that pay you without requiring a service fee.
I was looking at Ray J's page since he's in this thread and he's gotten about 2.5 cents per play. That's about what you've gotten overall, although the month of June didn't work out that way. So one would need to average about 27 plays per day to break even. (However, maryslittlesecret got about 4.5 cents per play. Wonder what the secret is?)
I haven't read the rules in detail, but my theory is that an artist's earnings are relative to other artist's earnings. That is, mp3.com gives out X dollars per day. Whatever percentage of the total mp3.com daily plays your page got, that's the percentage of the X dollars you get. I noticed that someone else's page got paid four cents for having 6 plays one day. My friend's page also got 6 plays in a day (a different day) and didn't get paid anything. So that's where I got the theory. Plus, this would limit the amount of money mp3.com has to give out to a constant, known value, which I'm sure the bean counters like.
I noticed that the mp3.com rules warn you against joining clubs or web rings that will increase your counts. So I imagine there must be clubs of people who agree to click on the songs of everyone else in the club. So together they get more cash out of mp3.com. I wouldn't want to compete against those people.
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Ray J
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Yeah, your earnings are a function of how many total plays there were that day on mp3.com. For example, if I get 45 plays on a Sunday, I will usually make more money than if I get 45 plays on a Monday. There's more traffic during the week. A lot of people probably play their web rings and such while they are at work, therefore there are usually more plays site wide on the weekdays. Your other example where 6 plays equaled 4 cents, well, you now only need 3 'unique' hits per day to make money(you use to need 15), what probably happened in this case was that someone may have listened to a song more than once, maybe because they liked it or something, therefore the repeat plays got no playback credit.
Your payback also is affected by who plays your songs. If I deflect listeners to my site that have never been there before or havent been there in a while, I seem to make much more than when I don't. Other days, my hits are probably coming in large part from the stations I'm on. For example the artist that created the station may play his own station several times a week. This seems to discount to some extent, his hits on my site but the good thing about that is it's an inherent way to reduce some of the effectiveness of 'gaming the system' for example, stations that were set up strictly for pay4play where the artists may informally agree to play each others music.
Mp3.com has vowed to crack down on this and have suspended several artists from payback eligibility since there announcement to crack down.
Ray J
Yeah, your earnings are a function of how many total plays there were that day on mp3.com. For example, if I get 45 plays on a Sunday, I will usually make more money than if I get 45 plays on a Monday. There's more traffic during the week. A lot of people probably play their web rings and such while they are at work, therefore there are usually more plays site wide on the weekdays. Your other example where 6 plays equaled 4 cents, well, you now only need 3 'unique' hits per day to make money(you use to need 15), what probably happened in this case was that someone may have listened to a song more than once, maybe because they liked it or something, therefore the repeat plays got no playback credit.
Your payback also is affected by who plays your songs. If I deflect listeners to my site that have never been there before or havent been there in a while, I seem to make much more than when I don't. Other days, my hits are probably coming in large part from the stations I'm on. For example the artist that created the station may play his own station several times a week. This seems to discount to some extent, his hits on my site but the good thing about that is it's an inherent way to reduce some of the effectiveness of 'gaming the system' for example, stations that were set up strictly for pay4play where the artists may informally agree to play each others music.
Mp3.com has vowed to crack down on this and have suspended several artists from payback eligibility since there announcement to crack down.
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Ray J
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Jim, regarding your question, Javamusic, arelatively new site, but growing fast, charges nothing and pays a few cents per 'virgin' download
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Jags
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Ampcast.com have given me good service over the last few months. Luckily I joined before they started charging an annual fee (i think I heard about it here actually!) so I don't have to pay till next year, but in any case it's only $20 a year. Songs etc go up instantly and they have just launched a CD program which seems to be much more flexible than MP3.com's offering. They also give 6 cents per unique download.
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Emeric
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Just to clarify. You don't actually get paid 'cash'. You get paid in 'Internet Credits'. Which you can spend at places like, amazon.com, musicians friend and other participating online retailers.
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JimH
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Are you talking about mp3.com or ampcast.com? According to mp3.com's FAQ, they pay cash direct to your bank account. I was just looking at ampcast.com. The only info I saw there was that they pay you $.06 USD per listen. I don't know if they mean equivalent to US dollars. But ampcast.com looks good. It is $25 a year, by the way.
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Emeric
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I was joking. Bad one at that. Sorry!
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