Pimp a Squire, or just go for a Fender?

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Well, I put the pups in and strung her up. The nut is horribly miscut. The bottom of each slot should be exactly as high as a fret, and they're much higher than that. The neck ain't bad, but it's no Carvin by a long shot. I'm spoiled. I couldn't get the action as low as my DC135. There were high and low frets.

It definitely sounds Stratty, though!
 
wiresix said:
you are better off going with another brand name. when you buy a fender, a lot of what you pay for is the brand name. the same with gibson...

I'm not a bolt on guy, so I dont know who makes good bolt on style guitars, but it'd be a good bet to say carvin would be a great choice, and its almost guaranteed to play better than a new strat no matter how much money you pay for it... none of those things are ever set up right... ibanez is another great company. !
If you are not a bolt on guy and dont know who makes a good bolt on
style guitar,then why bother commenting about things you dont know
about?If you think an Ibanez or a Carvin can stand up to a Strat when
it comes to tone,then you need to think again.
Yep,when you buy a name brand you pay for that name.They got to be
name brands because they do what they do well.
I paid a little over 900 for my strat and it was money well spent.20 yrs
from now you will be able to pick up any of the Ibanez guitars made to-
day at a yard sale for .50.The same wont be true for my Strat and there
is a reason for that:Good players dont mind paying for good tone!
 
SHEPPARDB. said:
If you think an Ibanez or a Carvin can stand up to a Strat whenit comes to tone,then you need to think again.

Your right, there is nothing that can produce a Strat tone like a Strat.

But there are other tones, too, worth pursuing.
 
Well first off squire is a Fender... but i see what you are getting at. Dont waste money on "pimping" a squire just get the damn REAL strat..not to say squires are bad guitars
 
post.aux.fader said:
Wow, thanks for the input.... maybe I should spend the money on a Gibson Melody Maker and just not get another amp....

The Gibson Melody Maker is one of the worst feeling guitars I have ever played.
 
A lot of the '80's Squiers made in Japan were superior, but those suckers cost almost as much Fenders. The Squiers Basses from that time are still valued.
 
Thorguitarist said:
...not to say squires are bad guitars

I'll say it! See the thread I linked to above.

If this is post.aux first axe, I'd go back to recommending the Carvin Bolt kit, but I don't think he's given us a budget.

I had forgotten what a cheap guitar is like. Kinda like those commercials: DO NOT ATTEMPT!
 
Let us also remember that there are different levels of Squires as well (from the $99 to $200 range).

I think once again we come down to two things:

1) Asking people on a forum "is this guitar any good?" is utterly pointless. Guitar quality is massively inconsistent, even (especially?) when dealing with the "Big 2" (Fender and Gibson). And everyone has their own idea about what "good" means anyway.

2) Whoever said it earlier was right: in terms of how you're going to sound, the issue of whether you have a Squire or a MIM or an American or whatever is like, 2% of the equation. The amp and the guy (or gal) playing is the big 98%.

Any decent player with a decent amp could make even the biggest piece of shit guitar sound good. After that it mainly comes down to what you're comfortable with and what you prefer.

Oh, and what's gonna look sparkly and get the chicks.

Chris
 
My .02

If you can find a real strat that you like, and you've actually heard it give you the sound you're looking for, and you can afford it, then buy it. If not, try the Squires. See if you can find one that you like the way it plays. If so, buy it and 'pimp it'. Most guys that buy real strats spend all of their time pimping them, too. No one's ever satisfied with their pickups. Will a cheapo undure heavy-handed mods like swapping out the bridge/tailpiece for a totally different kind? No, but if all you need to do is upgrade the electronics and tuners on an axe that you are happy with otherwise, go for it. If you're looking to build the ultimate machine that you'll be happy with the rest of your life (let me know how that works out for ya), then yes, start with a higher quality base.

Admittedly, a lot will also depend on how much you play. No more than I play, a Squire does me just fine. If you keep one in your hand every waking moment, then maybe you need something better.

However I did see Victor Wooten and his brothers a couple years back, and his eldest brother, whose playing is so incredible that I can't even describe, played a Squire, not because he was paid to, or even because it was free. He just liked it better, and he said it was one the few guitars that had ever been able to hold up to his treatment of it. He had been playing it for a few years at that point, and it seemed indestructible. Maybe he just got a good one.
 
Cardioidpotent said:
However I did see Victor Wooten and his brothers a couple years back, and his eldest brother, whose playing is so incredible that I can't even describe, played a Squire, not because he was paid to, or even because it was free. He just liked it better, and he said it was one the few guitars that had ever been able to hold up to his treatment of it. He had been playing it for a few years at that point, and it seemed indestructible. Maybe he just got a good one.

Yeah, there's lots of stories like that. I was in a studio with George Lynch once (long story - I wasn't *playing* with him:)) and was suprised to learn that one of his favorite recording axes is a MIM strat.

Chris
 
SHEPPARDB. said:
If you are not a bolt on guy and dont know who makes a good bolt on
style guitar,then why bother commenting about things you dont know
about?If you think an Ibanez or a Carvin can stand up to a Strat when
it comes to tone,then you need to think again.
Yep,when you buy a name brand you pay for that name.They got to be
name brands because they do what they do well.
I paid a little over 900 for my strat and it was money well spent.20 yrs
from now you will be able to pick up any of the Ibanez guitars made to-
day at a yard sale for .50.The same wont be true for my Strat and there
is a reason for that:Good players dont mind paying for good tone!


I agree 100%. I would not even consider buying a "strat type" guitar thats not Fender. Whats the point? Fender strats represent one of the greatest "bang for the buck" guitar deals out there. If you want a cheap guitar, you can get a used mexican strat for $200....You can play the damn thing for 5 years and STILL get your money back out of it, if you wanted to sell it. You can pick up an a used american strat for $400....play it for 5 years and STILL get your $400 back out of it too.

How can you save money by buying a clone with another name on the headstock...that will be worth 10 bucks in 5 years?
 
Alright, I have a budget of maybe 600 here, but I'm also going to need a 2x12 solid state amp that won't fall apart or completly sound like shit. My budget may be limeted to only 250 if something doesn't pull through (long story, don't ask, nothing illegal ;) ) If I only have 250 I'm just gunna get the guitar. I'm gunna be playing in a Skacore (Ska/Hardcore) band. I was thinking of getting a Squire Bullet and pimpin that with a new HB, neck(Do necks come with frets and bones?), and tuners. So my plan of attack if that thing pulls through, I either get a Gibson Les Paul Melody Maker, or pimp a squire and get a 2x12, and it if it doesn't pull through, pimp a squire. And if I can't do that, just buy a 2x12 and use the shitty washburn I have now.

Do only fender necks fit on fender/squires?

All this has really really really been helpful. Thanks alot guys.
 
post.aux.fader said:
I have a budget of maybe 600 here, but I'm also going to need a 2x12 solid state amp...

I'm still nominating the Carvin Bolt Kit, $350, and their SX200 amp.

Top drawer equipment.
 
Hehe, you seem to be all about the carvin APL. I'll check it out. Thanks again! However, I'm looking for something with humbuckers, and the Bullet has that, so I think I'll stick with either Fender/Squire or Gibson/Epiphone.

PS: Are there any Epiphones/Squires NOT made with slave labor in some far away country?

PPS: The SX amp looks great. Thanks.
 
I really hate the HSS pickup combo, I've got that now and it just irks the shit outta me. I think I'll stick to 1 or 2 HBs. Thanks though.
 
Well, fine then. You can get one of these as a kit, too, but you have to call them and ask about pricing. There are also scads of options not shown on the website. The discussion board is great resource for getting advice on how to configure for a certain style, hidden options, etc.
 
Hey,

I had a squire strat, and loved tom from blinks sound, but being a leftie, posed a bit of a challange, i bought the invader, cut and filed the scratch plate, and installed the glorious pickup, at the end of the day. You end up with a squire, i was recording, and the heat of the room was warping the wood, and kept nocking my tuning out.

So then i bought an Ibanez :)


End result is, if ya want an axe, may as well invest in a good one :), and i agree fenders and gibson prices are purely for the name. Their are alot of good guitars out there, and you wont have to pay for the name.

- Idgeit
 
I paid a little over 900 for my strat and it was money well spent.20 yrs
from now you will be able to pick up any of the Ibanez guitars made to-
day at a yard sale for .50.The same wont be true for my Strat and there
is a reason for that:Good players dont mind paying for good tone!

man... that is so wrong. there are ibanezes from the 70s that sell for more than a gibson from the 70s resale value for ibanez guitars are only going up and up. its obvious you are strat fan. I'll admit that a good strat can sound great, but what makes you think other companies cant do as well? or even better? what makes a strat sound so good? do you know? cause I highly doubt they have some secret wood they use. and to be honest, their hardware isnt so great... in fact most pros that own strats have them heavely modified.
 
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