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fuck...this is exhausting

you dont like it? fine. i dont really care. its your problem, not mine. im not going to change something because someone can write a few insults and not actually critcize anything...my whole reason for getting pissed off was that most of you didnt take the time to actually attempt to understand what i was writing. you just attacked me for calling someone an idiot. yet you say im being a baby for my "feelings being hurt". im just insulted by some of the ignorant comments i get from everyone. just because you cant understand something does not make it bad. simple as that, some people dont need an explaination of those lyrics to get something out of it. i never claimed that they were the greatest thing in the world, but compared to all the shit i read and hear on these boards, its pretty origional. you want to attack me for my opinion of some moron who can barely put a sentence together saying "if your song needs an explaination, then its probably not any good". its fine, i can take critcism from people who have an informed opinion and can actually see things from different angles. you are all closed minded pricks with no comprehension of what im saying. for anyone who actually gave me an opinion rather than attacked what i said to the first reply to my poem, you might know what you're talking about. just because you've been writing music for 20 some years, doesnt make you good at it. im just fet up with arguing like children. i only get mad when an idiot speaks his mind. if you cant understand the poem but still see that maybe someone else does, and agree with me that to just deny that a poem/song has any strength or meaning because you cant comprehend it is absurd and stupid, then comment comment comment. no more attacking each other, no more arguing, no more bitching about who is right or wrong.
 
man, let go of your song like you let go of your rattle when you threw it out the pram. if you look properly into this forum, people are coming up with some valid opinions on your music, but you really are taking them much to heart.
i posted my tune on this site for public slating. if i was you, i would have avoided the comments that were good, and took on board the comments that said 'the drums are really sh*t' and got all offended. but no, i took the good and bad all on board, and thanks to these peeps on here, ive re-recorded parts of the song, and tore my hair out trying to suss out some decent drums. guess what....i blew my self away with the difference it made (thanks all!!!)

trust me, you may know the meaning of your music, but NOONE knows its music quality as well as the listener. open your mind, let your baby be torn to bits, cos half the fun for a REAL producer-musician is putting it back together....

if you want an argument, this aint the forum. if you dont like what people say, take yourself off somewhere else. you cant slate someone for 'not getting' your song. not being able to find a meaning dont mean the listener is stupid, just means youve got to keep working. every song that's anything, even the different and sublime, relate to alot of people somewhere.

no-one here has really said your song sniffs of dogshit, so take that and build on it. dont cry...
 
and whilst im on the subject, you may have notice i put a few comments in there:

"i liked it before you started ranting"
"...youre other song was better"

but you seem to have totally ignored those two comments and moaned about criticism.... :confused:
 
i wasnt being really that specific when posting that comment...it wasnt directed really at you so much...i only ranted when people attack me for what i said about the first post, which i still believe, was completely retarded. im glad you liked it, dont change that because of how i respond to people with close minded opinions.
 
true, but unfortunately everyone has their opinion. i think REM are the biggest bunch of dogturd going, but i very much michael stipe would really take it to heart that i would say such a thing. (well, he's made a few million, so thats prob a bad example....). may have been blunt opinion.
but with all due respect to you, and not taking away from his comments either, a song, poem, painting, or any form of art for that matter, should really tell a story or something. there's nothing wrong with giving a song that can have 'mysterious' interpretations, but making sure there's some link between the words that are there is important.
you may forget, when YOU read your lyrics, your head is automatically writing the rest of the story as your experience tells it. others, including me, dont have that insight to be able to know what youre on about.

so fill it out...tell the story a bit more. make the story clearer to us, then we'll know
 
and seriously man, get that other song on the go and work on it. it really does sound like it could be more of a winner
 
i wasnt going to say anything in response to nopoet but i just felt like i needed too. if i offended you,i apologize but i WILL NOT for what i said to you. i was only trying to help and for you to insult me by calling an idiot and all of the meaningless names because your mind was limited in thinking of more creative names (hint hint) is just ignorant within itself. you should check your attitude before you even burn your music on a cd, because you can not take criticism...... so if someone tells you no you have a temper tantrum.

so what, i said if you song needs an explanation outside of the song, then its not a good song" big deal why get your heart all broken over. i mean you on here crying like a little wimpy girl its just utterly embarrassing. you have made yourself out to look like a idiot trying to insult. so ill be the bigger one in the whole situation and say that i didnt in anyway mean to make you cry, neither will i tell a lie just to stroke your ego and let you get away with putting out(i wont call it crap, what do you call that?) something that 99.9% of the people that will hear it wont understand.

now go get some tissue, dry your eyes, take a deep breath and start back working on your master piece because if you take the suggestions given here it will be a great work, its already a great work in process if you listen to people verses insulting people who are only doing what you asked them to do. if you respond with ignorance again i will not say anything else too you i will let you act crazy on your own.

i got nothing but love for you!
 
The audience is listening...

I think in the end, it's what it has to be about. Songs that sell and those that go on to be big hits are that way because they appeal to a large audience, and there is something in there all can identify with. If you are only making it for yourself and will not market it, it doesn't matter if no one but you likes it. But if you intend to market your music, and by posting the lyrics and a sample of the song you apparently do intend to market it, it has to appeal to someone. Hog wash is hog wash, even under a neat little label like "indie rock", and the general audience, while sometimes fooled by bullshit, can generally sniff it out. Take it for what you will, and flame me if you must, but stop fooling yourself and lying to others by saying you don't care if no one likes it. You want approval or you wouldn't have posted it.
 
One suggestion, though, so that I can at least try to give you what you wanted: Your music sounds to me like you are giving homage to Simon and Garfunkel. Take note, that Paul Simon is a published and accomplished poet, but he is also a master storyteller, and while he uses words like crinolin in his lyrics (check out "For Emily, Wherever I May Find Her"), he is not trying to be vague or go so deep that his audience can't understand him. Poetry as lyrics works great, if the poem is great to begin with.
 
nopoetic said:
the problem is, people react in a defensive way when they dont get what they want to hear. QUOTE]

indeed they do . . .

great discussion though - I just used up a good portion of my night (which I should have spent sleeping) reading this thread. :)

Great points from Garry and Aaron (both of whom consistenyl write great commentary/criticism) and NationalSandwic and Spelling Bee (haven't ead much from you guys but you make some great points)

I think if you post something on here, be it lyrics or criticism, then you gotta take what comes back from it. I think it's sad that anybody should be put off from posting songs or criticism of songs because of defensive reactions from others.

We're all here to learn aren't we? And you can't learn unless you actually listen . . .
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jasqnA1 is still an idiot...you still have said nothing to remove the stupidity from your comment. the fact that you still stand by it shows how undeveloped your mind really is. there is no sense in saying that because something needs an explaination to you that it is automaticly bad. there have been poems and stories and songs that i haven't completely understood, but i still like them for what they are. i also realize that SOMEONE probably understands them, therefore they probably have a meaning. and forget meaning, it doesnt make something bad or good. its all opinion. its like saying something is shit just because you dont like it. again, its all opinion, and yours is retarded and without anything to back it.
 
Fuck give up already.

Can't you see who is coming off like an idiot ? I'll give you a hint. It's not jasqnA1.
 
vestast said:
Fuck give up already.

Can't you see who is coming off like an idiot ? I'll give you a hint. It's not jasqnA1.
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No, it's all of us for keeping this fuckin thread alive and giving this moron all this unearned attention. We should all just let this thread die! :mad:
 
Rokket said:
No, it's all of us for keeping this fuckin thread alive and giving this moron all this unearned attention. We should all just let this thread die! :mad:
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Ya you're right. Lets go back to talking about Bush and Kerry. That's much more interesting.

:rolleyes:
 
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ah fuck you all, dont listen to me then. i was attacked for calling a jackass a jackass. simple as that, what he said was retarded and i dont understand how NO ONE FUCKING SEES THAT. forget the fact that my song may or may not suck, his comment was absurd. you're all idiots for backing him up on it. it made no sense and it still makes no sense. stop debating this. now this thread can die.
 
Damn, I was completely wrong, and I now agree with everything that was said about these words. They're shit. Funny how much you learn in 6 years...
 
When there is nothing left to say.....I won't say it !

OK, OK, so it's an ancient thread, but it had lots of good points that have an ongoing relevance.

Aaron Cheney said:
The thing you have to realize is by that time they were hugely famous. John Lennon could have played a bicycle horn for ten minutes and people would have loved it.
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Well, I'd say "Revolution 9" was the equivalent of the bike horn and you may well find that actually, it's not a universally liked track. The Beatles were like any other in this regard - for their songs to be loved, the listener had to love the song ! It's interesting hearing Beatle people commenting on the Beatles songs they don't like.
Aaron Cheney said:
It's true that the Beatles had many avant-garde pieces like I Am the Walrus for example. The thing you have to realized is by that time they were hugely famous.
So the question you have to ask is: how did they get a platform big enough to eventually find commercial success while being so musically self-indulgent?

The answer is: by playing 2.5 minute long, commercial, bubble-gum love songs like Love Me Do, I Wanna Hold Your Hand, etc... They were willing to "play the game" until they arrived at a point were their commercial songs provided them an audience for their art songs.

If they had started out with those kinds of songs they would have been ignored.
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While there is factual truth to this, in essence, I disagree. It's a shame the poster may not be around to comment on this. But for me this statement carries two major drawbacks. One is that it makes it look like the Beatles were these far sighted geniuses that were "willing to play the game" until such a point as to be in a position where they could do their own thing so they kind of wrote these sappy girly pop tunes then when, according to plan, the world was eating out of their hands, they wrote the kind of deep stuff they had always wanted to.

Not so. The songs they wrote in their early days were songs they genuinely liked and believed in and they followed the lines that songwriters did in those days. Remember, there was no rock scene prior to 1965/66 ~ it was showbiz.
So they developed and progressed and changed with the times and only much later on did they consciously start doing things and deliberately being arty. It wasn't planned at all. With their label Apple, you see the fruition of the transition and the new norm of deliberation.

The second drawback to the point was this - one thing that the Beatles and many of their contemporaries on both sides of the Atlantic did for future generations was precisely to allow artists to present themselves as they were and not wait until some unspecified point in the future. Sly and the family Stone. The Mothers of invention. King Crimson. Family. Traffic. Led Zeppelin. Soft machine. Captain Beefheart. Lifetime. The Pink Floyd. Iggy and the Stooges. The MC5. Spirit. Grand Funk Railroad. Mind Garage. The list goes grandly on and on and on of groups from the late mid to late 60s on that were, right from the start, recording weird uncompromizing, often inaccessible {often long !} album based music. That early 60s tide had shifted forever. The big platform necesary in order to do your own thing ceased to exist right around psychedelia.

So the story of the Beatles progressive journey, far from being the blueprint, merely demonstrates the story of the shifting sands of the 1960s music business and not only how much accidents are a part of human endeavour, but also how well we react at the drop of a hat.


Enjoyable thread !
 
I agree with the above post, and I'd also like to say that I love all Beatles eras. The early songs were brilliant in their own ways, as they progressed later into much deeper territory lyrically and musically. George Martin was also responsible for allowing them to record many more layers to their songs, so with technology, also came the ability to create more complex music. Either way, the genius of not just the individuals, but their combination as a group really made them stand out. I prefer John Lennon and George Harrison, but Paul was in his own right a great song writer, I just don't feel he ever took his lyrics to the level that the other two had. Just my two cents.
 
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