Perhaps now the... ADAT

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"Er, ummm... Windowman.... GREG Mackie is the owner/designer of Mackie Designs Inc.... BOB Mackie is a fashion designer!!!!"

Ooohhhh man! The pain! The agony! I'm fading quickly...in the immortal words of Billy the Kid to Sherrif Pat Garrett..."Ya Got ME".

Hey, in all fairness, I haven't heard anything about him in many years. I knew "Bob" didn't sound right when I wrote it. Thanks for the correction. I bet I spelled Neve wrong too...
 
No, at least you got the Neve part right! ;)

Now is it George Massenburg or John Massenburg??? :D

Bruce
 
adat

hey vurt i just got an adat xt used with about 200 hrs on it and an alesis 32 board i love adat! what can i say i'm having a ball with this set-up. i plan on getting a computer soon that i can hook up to this stuff. alesis makes a card called adat/edit you hook it up to your computer and you can cut and paste digital edit and you get 8 more tracks on your hard drive and can dump back down to adat. i dont see this format going away anytime soon even with all the hard disk recorders out there.please post on the alesis forum and let us know how you're making out. gregg garlock
 
ADAt Edit

Greg G, I haven't heard one good thing about that ADAT-Edit card. I haven't used one myself though and reallly don't know much about it, but you may want to do some homework before dropping $300 for it.

-Adam
 
Why not check out spirit boards, they are probably a way better alternative to mackie than behringer. And you won't have to deal with behringer customer service.
 
adat edit

I don't know much about it but I was hoping it would work for me. I guess I'll do some more research. thanks. G-Lock
 
Behringer Board

I have the MX 9000 and it beats the Mackie hands down, the routing cant be beat, there so many ways to set-up this board, and the EQ is great. It it made with a steel frame not plastic, and the faders are smooth with long tapperd action, the cost is up there. but not bad if you want to do some serious muti-tracking.


G-Man
 
Re: Behringer Board

G-Mack said:
I have the MX 9000 and it beats the Mackie hands down, the routing cant be beat, there so many ways to set-up this board, and the EQ is great. It it made with a steel frame not plastic, and the faders are smooth with long tapperd action, the cost is up there. but not bad if you want to do some serious muti-tracking.
G-Man
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And exactly how do you come to that conclusion??? Did you know the MX9000 is a cheap knock-off of the Mackie 8*buss boards? I did an A/B comparision of both boards a few months back for a local music shop and the Behringer is, well, to be blunt *CRAP*...

Bruce Valeriani
Blue Bear Sound
 
not crap

Berhringer was never found guilty of copying Mackie design by the courts and did not have to pay them a dime. Many boards
seem like copys of others, like the Ghost board and Allen &
Heath. Its the way that you use a board and wireing connection that makes the differents. I will say some of Behringer other design have some flaws but not all of there designs. I bet if you go back to where ever you went to and check out there hook-up of the MX 9000 you will find it to be
all wrong.


The G-Man
G-Max Production
 
Re: not crap

G-Mack said:
...I bet if you go back to where ever you went to and check out there hook-up of the MX 9000 you will find it to be all wrong.
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Huh??? What are you talking about "hooking up wrong"????
The Behringer EQ is worthless - adds WAY too much (bad) coloration the minute you switch in it into the circuit, the Mackie is far more transparent. The Behringer pres are noisy and impart a gritty sound to the source, the Mackie again is more distinct and transparent.

There is virtually NO headroom on the Behringer, the Mackie has more. Fader linearity is much smoother on the Mackie, the Behringer faders are noisy and unstable at very low levels.

The whole feel of the Mackie as a unit is robust and strong, whereas the Behringer pots, faders, switches all feel sloppy....

Should I go on??? (I could....)

Bruce Valeriani
Blue Bear Sound
 
mackie facility transition

i love my 1604. at the time i purchased it, i was considering either the vlz pro (which i considered the best in it's analog/small mixer field), or the 01v, or the spirit 328. at the time, the 01V was only capable of 44.1khz recording, so that was out. the 328 was the machine i really, really wanted, but i didn't want to spend $4500 for it, so i settled on the mackie 1604 vlz pro with the frontier design tango24/wavecenter combination for pc based recording.

unfortunately, mackie was in the midst of moving to the new facility when i bought my unit (my 2nd mackie mixer, the first never gave me any trouble) and this unit has given me some trouble and with mackie being in transition earlier this year i've had to send the unit to washington music center for repairs instead of sending directly to mackie. i'm not saying that the vlz pro is a bad piece of gear, but i wouldn't advise buying one that was manufactured in 1998-99.
 
I have to agree wholeheartedly with Bruce re: Mackie 8 bus vs Behringer MX9000....I a-b'd these boards as well and, while I know everyone has a different opinion on poor/good/great, I have never met anyone personally who knew anything about audio that would choose a Behringer board over a Mackie, and especially when comparing eq and pre's...
I do own a Mackie 24-8 and, don't get me wrong, I'm well aware of it's limitations sonically (I use outboard pre's as well as the Mackie pre's, outboard valve eq sometimes as well) and have heard many other boards that blew me away (Midas comes to mind) but not at this price point, with the features!
I even own a couple of Behringer products, so this isn't about "bashing" anyone, but c'mon...really...it boggles my mind to think someone actually "likes" the MX9000's eq or pre's over the Mackie...

sheesh...

BW
 
Mx9000

I did all the checking and read the datd sheets between the Mackie and the Mx9000 and I did not find that much of a differentd between the two. I did not just go out and buy any recording board just for the hell of it ? I did check-
out the Mackie and the Ghost Board and the Allen and Heath
as well. But for the money the disk that I have to hold the board, the Mx9000 fitted my needs. I do not have clients
come in and go oh you have the MX9000. Thats because I am known to work wonders no matter what i use. I ts not the board as much as what you can do with what you have to work
with even if its a 488 or a SSL, you have to work what your
mama gave you, so you gotta shake that ass like you know
what you worin with. It does help that I have some excellent
outboard gear as well as Harddisk Recorders and XT20 and
a 20GB computer and damn near evry PC plug-ins there is as well as good converters. I do not buy gear based on what I
read but what I need, and sometime what I want,hehe. I
understand you may not like Behringer equiment and that is your choice, but dont knock my or anyone elses. So you do
your thank and I will do my and somewhere in the middle
we shall meet. G-Man
 
Re: Mx9000

So far, you still haven't actually given me any concrete reason why the Behringer is better, while I've given you many reasons to contradict you.... but anyways.......

G-Mack said:
...I understand you may not like Behringer equiment and that is your choice, but dont knock my or anyone elses. So you do your thank and I will do my and somewhere in the middle we shall meet. G-Man
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All fine and good except this was your contribution to this thread initially:
G-Mack said:
I have the MX 9000 and it beats the Mackie hands down, the routing cant be beat, there so many ways to set-up this board, and the EQ is great. It it made with a steel frame not plastic, and the faders are smooth with long tapperd action, the cost is up there. but not bad if you want to do some serious muti-tracking.
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To which I made my responses (all above)....

I agree with you - do the best with the gear you got - just don't get defensive if you get asked to "back-up" any "claim" you make - especially if you say something that BEGS for a response!!!!

Peace dude,
Bruce
 
I did not BEG for a responce? I stated my opinon! and we know how the rest of that goes? we all have one just like
ashole!!!You are the one who started cutting down people equiment. We aal use various tool to get the job done,
and that is what counts. If we all used the same thing there whould be any flavor to the music. I do mostly R&B, Jazz,
Hip-Hop and some classical. I did 7 years on MCA and two years on GRP mostly as a drummer and song writer. I have
been in some high end studios and a chance to observe all
the tracking and in outs to Recording. I started home recording 15 years ago, and I will have to say I become very good at this trade. But here in this town never do I hear
other studio or producer knocking each other setups, or
maybe its the level of professionl insight that we all use
to help each other.


G-Man
G-Max Production
 
Christ dude, you missed my point - *YOU* were the one knocking Mackie - I simply responded to THAT comment....

Enough... this is silly -- and for a newbie to call me an asshole before even knowing ANYTHING about me says much more about you than me..........

Peace dude...

Bruce
 
I may be new to this forum but not to Recording. I did not call you asshole, I said that is what opionins are not you.
I dont know you but I whould like to. I have no outs with
you, I whould like to ask you if you have used the AT 4050
mic? also I have been watching these boards for over two years, and I have learned alot from them. I tell new comers
that I run across about this place, it is outstanding. But
let me oplgize if if have I have offended you I am hear to say I am sorry.

G-Man
 
Hey G...
No worries....... I'm not offended.... discussion on the merits (or not!) of different gear is what this forum is all about! What makes the forum so useful is the variety of talent and knowledge of the participants.....

As to the 4050 - I did some comparison shopping on a few (4050/KSM32/NT2) at one time and I chose the Rode NT2 over the other 2 - the NT2 had a clarity that I liked... I know Ed (sonusman) swears by the 4033.... I've ordered a pair of 4041s (small-dia, cond.) for use on high-transient sounds....

So you worked for GRP - very cool... my brother's a serious jazz drummer... he's had me listen to a few GRP albums over the years............. impressive! Welcome to the BBS as a participant (instead of a watcher!) :)

Cheers,
Bruce
 
your a good man

Thanks for the info on the AT 4050, I also chkd out
the AT4033, but not sure? I hear good things about
both of them. I am in a postion now to get pretty
much what I want so i better do it now while the
money is here or before my wife finds out,hehehe!!!
I have also looked at the sound deluxe mics and
maybe a U-87 right now I use two CADS 200 and a 350
both are excellent bot i want one top notch mic or
maybe a Manley. Any help would be most helpfull from
you. I have also followed you alot on these boards
and I now you are very knowledgeable, that is why
I came to you the way I did, you seem to be the big
kid on the block and just wanted to get to know you
a little more. But let me know what top notch mic
you would thing would be a wise choice while I do
have a new found cash flow.


G-Man
 
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