panning hard

[Robertt8]

Stereo Delay?

There are some other "tricks" you can use to "thicken" it up...like pan your (lets just say) guitar fairly hard to the left, and set a slapback delay on it so it only delays over on the right. This will still give you your hard pan, but it will also not "feel" as empty.

I've heard this quite a bit lately and have YET to accomplish it. I'm fairly new to this home recording schtuff and new to this forum so go easy on me. I've been playing for 40 years so I'm not a kid, but maybe some of you "kids" can help. Can I get a DETAILED idea of how to accomlish getting ONLY the delay in one side? No matter how I do it I end up getting the original signal too. I'll give an example.

I use GT3 PRO for mixing. Let's say I have my drums straight up as well as the bass guitar. I'll pan my guitar to the left, say 40% and then add the delay that I want. Then using the AUX SEND on that channel I'll send it to another channel or a bus. That's where I get lost. I use VST plug-ins for the delay and I don't see a way to connect to only the OUTPUT of the delay to send it anywhere. I always get the original signal along with the delay.

Can somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong and maybe give me step by step instructions on the RIGHT way to accomplish this?

Thanks!

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7STRING: How exactly are you trying to do this?

I believe (and i could be wrong) that you'll need a stereo effect (or delay) here. Mine is in the computer or my Roland VS-880EX, I've got a selection of mono effects, or stereo effects, and I think you'll need a stereo one.

Anyhoo, I've got controls that let me vary how much to each side the sound should come from on the delay, percentage of how much the original volume, delay time, decay...all that sort of stuff, so what I'd typically do in this case is to (as I mentioned) pan the guitar fairly hard (lets say) to the right, and then set the slapback (one delay) to come out exclusively on the left hand side...panned to where i thought is sounded okay, and then obviously push it back a bit by making it only a fraction of the original volume. And that should do the trick...but as i said, you'll mostlikely need a stereo delay.

 

[7string]

7STRING: How exactly are you trying to do this?

I believe (and i could be wrong) that you'll need a stereo effect (or delay) here. Mine is in the computer or my Roland VS-880EX, I've got a selection of mono effects, or stereo effects, and I think you'll need a stereo one.

Anyhoo, I've got controls that let me vary how much to each side the sound should come from on the delay, percentage of how much the original volume, delay time, decay...all that sort of stuff, so what I'd typically do in this case is to (as I mentioned) pan the guitar fairly hard (lets say) to the right, and then set the slapback (one delay) to come out exclusively on the left hand side...panned to where i thought is sounded okay, and then obviously push it back a bit by making it only a fraction of the original volume. And that should do the trick...but as i said, you'll mostlikely need a stereo delay.

Sorry it took me a few days to get back to you. I've been sick as a dog for three weeks with that damned flu/chest cold thing going around and my mind still isn't very clear but it is better.

I've looked at my plug-ins and have decided that they are mono. What I do is record the track and then dump the delay or verb into the effects bin. Now I'm supposed to take the OUT of the effect(s) and send them to another channel. And since there's really no OUT from the effects... I could use pre/post send on the channel. Well, I've also come to the conclusion that GT3 PRO won't send to another channel. Only to a SUB, unless I'm missing something (I'm fairly new to GT3 PRO to). So I've come up with 2 work arounds:

1) I can record in stereo and then choose one side and add the effects only on THAT side. Or

B) Copy the track to another channel and put the reverb only on the copied track and tweak the proximity (which seems to work like the wet/dry knob that I don't have) knob to 100 to allow only the effects with hardly any of the original track. Then I can mix in the desired amout of effect on the opposite side of the original track.

I also had a guy tell me once that I could do the same with a vocal track. Leave the original dry signal straight up. Then copy the track twice. Use one copied track for delay panned left and one for verb panned right. I don't remember what he said it would DO for the track but it would seem to ME that it would be a bit cleaner. But it sounded intriguing to me in my young career as an engineer at the ripe old age of 50.

Now my question is, will adding the delay/verb effects on separate channels minimize the amount of "mud" that these effects tend to shed on a track?


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[up-fiddler]

Let me be even more clear. If you duplicate a track and pan one hard right and the other hard left, you have the just discovered MONO. The same signal going to both sides is mono. It is the exact same thing as taking one track and panning it to the center. The center is where the signal seems when you have the same signal going left and right at the same volume.
I don't know how to make this any more clear.

Unless you effect the two tracks differently. Like detune one a few cents or delay one a bit, etc.