Panning Guitar Distortion tracks

[jamking]

The fact that they aren't in sync is what cause the phase problems.

Why would you say that?

If two tracks are running in unison (sine wave for sine wave) and they are using the same channels (not panned all the way), that's when your going to get your hiss. By taking one track and recording it to another, then shifting the new track a hair(or adding 20 milliseconds of delay with 100% effect value), the track are no longer the same. It will eliminate the phase. You still need to pan them. I would suggest at least 75% but you'll have a much more powerful sound than if you left a single track cranked to the max.

 

[Farview]

Phase is not hiss. If two sine waves are perfectly in sync, they are also in phase, when they become out of sync or one is inverted, that will cause phase cancellation.

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

Jason, this guy's spreading disinformation all over the place. He posted in another thread that electricity moves through things like mic cables at the speed of sound and not the speed of light because it's "sound, not signals."

G.

 

[Farview]

Oh. And we aren't supposed to be impolite to the morons..I mean newbies, are we?

 

[tourettes5139]

Jason, this guy's spreading disinformation all over the place. He posted in another thread that electricity moves through things like mic cables at the speed of sound and not the speed of light because it's "sound, not signals."

You can't be serious. OMFG.

 

[LRosario]

Any recommendations ofor recording rythm tracks for distortion? Let's say I am recording in Mono a guitar rhythm part (all power chords) on one track. Is it common practice to copy this to another track and then pan each channel left and right?

Any other suggestions for rhythm parts?

Thanks.

It was probably answered already, but here's my advice:



Do an excersise and pick out your favorite rock albums. Listen to them and on a piece of paper, write out the song name, the parts of the song and how the panning was used on each section of guitar.



For example, a common technique for solo guitar sections can be done in one of 2 manners:

a) Rythm panned hard left or right and solo guitar panned opposite the rythm guitars. rythm<100 100>solo.

This for example is characteristic of Ron Saint Germains work on the last 311 album I heard.

b) double track your rythm, pan hard left and right and have your solo up the middle. This seems to be favorite with alot of people these days.


So you can either be minimalist or very complex.

I always tend to approach the mix as minimal as possible. At the same time, realize that any combination you can dream of can be the next big thing.



Lead<100 100>Rythm for a verse or
Rythm<100 90>Lead

the list can go forever....your ears and your rock history can decide how to experient.

 

[JazzMang]

Jason, this guy's spreading disinformation all over the place. He posted in another thread that electricity moves through things like mic cables at the speed of sound and not the speed of light because it's "sound, not signals."

G.

Indeed...


https://homerecording.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=1659432&postcount=13

 

[EdWonbass]

Not to hijack here but what kind of phase problems can occur if I mic an amp and take a signal from a Line6 Pod at the same time? I tried this when the other night an it sounds pretty good to me. I'm still at the tracking stage with this project but I couldn't help doing a little harmless playing with the pan knobs.
Is there a downside to this technique?

 

[JazzMang]

well, the pod has some latency for processing, which may or may not introduce phasing between it or your amped tracks. Only your ears can tell.

 

[Farview]

Not to hijack here but what kind of phase problems can occur if I mic an amp and take a signal from a Line6 Pod at the same time? I tried this when the other night an it sounds pretty good to me. I'm still at the tracking stage with this project but I couldn't help doing a little harmless playing with the pan knobs.
Is there a downside to this technique?

There will be a delay between the DI and the mic'd cab. You can hear the phase problem if you pan both to the center. If the guitar is louder when the 2 tracks are panned away from each other than when they are panned center, you have phase cancelation.

 

[cellardweller]

There will be a delay between the DI and the mic'd cab. You can hear the phase problem if you pan both to the center. If the guitar is louder when the 2 tracks are panned away from each other than when they are panned center, you have phase cancelation.

Is there any way to correct/prevent this during tracking?
I noticed this the other night...

 

[Farview]

You can line the signals back up in the computer. There is no way to take care of it during recording. It just takes longer for the signal to go through the amp, cabinet, mic and preamp than the DI takes to get into the recorder.

 

[nonovice]

Somthing diffrent

Double tracked guitars are great, but what about adding intrest to a single guitar line (in mono). Seems minimalist compositions rock, punk, etc, Always use doubled tracked guitars. Hell i'm guilty of it. But is there any cool ways to beef up a guitar part or anything else intresting besides PLAYING IT AGAIN! How about resampling guitars or anything that could add intrest to a part. Reverb, Flange, Im just looking for some inspiration here. What do you poeple do to get that Great or Crap sound. Poo is good sometimes. I just took a great one. HAHAHAAHA

 

[Farview]

You could stereo mic the guitar or put chorus, flange, delay, phazor, ect... on it. I'm not sure what you are asking.

 

[nonovice]

More Specific

Well How did some of the older recording artist make their guitars sound "different" for example on the "Wanton Song" by Led Zep it seems to have the guitar panned hard left and the reverb on the opposite side. (I have not listened to the mix in my monitors so I could be way off) But for example how would this type of effect be simulated using a modern recording techniques. I'm just very much intrested in anything anyones done and enjoyed outside the norm. Not trying to be an ass, but at the end of the day my doubled guitars are going to sound as good as anyones given the right situation. (monitors, gear, ears etc.)
So what else is there? I mean are we all trying to get the same sound? I'm just lookin through the trash to see if I can find some treasure. I mean there has to be somthing other than text book aesthetic someone could share.

 

[Farview]

It seems like you keep answering your own questions. If you want the guitar panned to the left and the reverb to the right: pan the guitar to the left and the reverb to the right. There really isn't anything different about how it was done back then. The arraignment of the song will determine if you can do that sort of thing or not.

 

[nonovice]

Thank You Farview

How might I go about this using my computer based recording system. I can't seem to emulate this effect with any knowledge I have. I generally use waves reverbs I have the trueverb and RVerb. I have tried using them as insert effects and as sends. but they always yeild a stereo verb. How might I go about Trying to send the reverb to one side and the source to another. I have gone through the manuals so unless I missed something it may be a basic concept thats has alluded me. Please help. Grouping tracks etc. Actually I think I figured it out while typing this tell me if im correct. Could I pan the guitar hard left copy the track. Then pan the copy right and use a 100% wet reverb on the right channel? Is there a better way of doing this?


P.S. I'm Always looking for book recomendations.

 

[Farview]

What software are you using? Cubase and Nuendo have panning on the fx channels, so I would just pan that to the left and the guitar to the right.

 

[ahuimanu]

Not to hijack here but what kind of phase problems can occur if I mic an amp and take a signal from a Line6 Pod at the same time? I tried this when the other night an it sounds pretty good to me. I'm still at the tracking stage with this project but I couldn't help doing a little harmless playing with the pan knobs.
Is there a downside to this technique?

Yeah, this is what I wanna start doing with my Pod XT and my Tech 21 Trademark 10.

 

[nonovice]

Thanks Again

Man I Knew it was somthing stupid I overlooked.