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manning1
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benchmark them
the amd , and a caveat, my regular day job for many years was computer engineering, so i'm no dunce..
why AMD
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simple answer, cheap and fast.
AMD 2500+ i would recommend for valuefor money.
the amd , and a caveat, my regular day job for many years was computer engineering, so i'm no dunce..
why AMD
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simple answer, cheap and fast.
AMD 2500+ i would recommend for valuefor money.
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Polaris20
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AMD 64 3000+ would be a good choice too.
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christiaan
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Re: benchmark them
Me toomanning1 said:
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Bulls Hit
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Just make sure your MB don't have one of them dodgy chipsets
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Shakuan
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gilwe said:
I would recommend the Athlon... but not the one you mentionned.
Dual Athlon MP 2400+ will get you more power than a single Athlon64 3200+... and its nearly half the price.
Check the prices in canada:
AMD ATHLON64 3200+ 2.00G 1M $629.00
AMD ATHLON MP 2400+ PGA T-BRED BOX $189.00
Of course the software you use to record might not be able to take advantage of dual processors... but at least it's gonna let you run a couple programs togheter without slowing you down.
Athlon64 3200+ is like a porshe...
Dual Athlon MP 2400+ is like a hummer. The hummer lets you do stuff you wouldnt even think about with a porsche, but it's slower.
Anyways, I think it's more bang for the bucks.
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manning1
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disagree on dual processors
the computer industry is moving very fast. the 2500+
is way more than i need. its a good cheap solution till the next
high spped wave of processors. i wouldnt be spending money on dual processors given the pace of change. save up for the inevitable 5 to 10 ghz processors that are sure to come.
the computer industry is moving very fast. the 2500+
is way more than i need. its a good cheap solution till the next
high spped wave of processors. i wouldnt be spending money on dual processors given the pace of change. save up for the inevitable 5 to 10 ghz processors that are sure to come.
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Polaris20
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Re: Re: P4 3Ghz HT or AMD athlon 3000+ ?
I totally disagree. Many programs out there for audio aren't coded to take advantage of dual processors, the any performance advantage is lost, and you're left with 2400+ performance when you just bought two chips.
Being able to run two programs together isn't the reason to buy dual processors.
Shakuan said:
I totally disagree. Many programs out there for audio aren't coded to take advantage of dual processors, the any performance advantage is lost, and you're left with 2400+ performance when you just bought two chips.
Being able to run two programs together isn't the reason to buy dual processors.
Teacher
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Re: Re: Re: P4 3Ghz HT or AMD athlon 3000+ ?
like what audio programs? if your audio program is HALF decent it takes advantage of dual processors i'll name a few i know take advantage of dual processors
sonar
samplitude
cubase
nuendo
Pro tools
Logic
Digital Performer
are there anyothers even worth mentioning?
Polaris20 said:
like what audio programs? if your audio program is HALF decent it takes advantage of dual processors i'll name a few i know take advantage of dual processors
sonar
samplitude
cubase
nuendo
Pro tools
Logic
Digital Performer
are there anyothers even worth mentioning?
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gilwe
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Strange.... at the HardwareCentral forum they all recommended my of the Pentium....
I once heard the AMD CPU's have additional function to be implemented while using multimedia software, the the Pentium lacks of. what is it all about ... ?
I once heard the AMD CPU's have additional function to be implemented while using multimedia software, the the Pentium lacks of. what is it all about ... ?
Teacher
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gilwe said:
i THINK it has to do with floating Point Processing but don't quote...
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gilwe
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Yeh that was it.... but does this feature lets audio recorders make a better sound reproduction ?
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christiaan
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If you mean by this: "Does one cpu sound better than the other?" then the answer is: No.gilwe said:
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Shakuan
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Re: Re: Re: P4 3Ghz HT or AMD athlon 3000+ ?
Are you kidding me??
You need to start doing more things than just playing solitaire with your PC man.
Btw win98, ME or XP Home will not take advantage of dual cpu. WinXP Pro will tho.
So if you use xp pro with nuendo for exemple, dual cpu will help you alot. Especially if you really USE your system.
Btw, if dual cpu wouldnt help, why would Intel develop HT?... HT is just a virtual dual cpu.
Here is some information about Hyper-Threading, I think you really should read it all.
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/cpu/article.php/3261_1500631__2
Anyways, I'm not here to convert anyone to dual, I was just giving another option to gilwe. When you can have dual 2400+ for 370$ or 3200+ for 630$, it's more economic to go dual and it's gonna give you a pretty solid box for recording. (and even more than single 3200+ imo.)
Polaris20 said:
Are you kidding me??
You need to start doing more things than just playing solitaire with your PC man.
Btw win98, ME or XP Home will not take advantage of dual cpu. WinXP Pro will tho.
So if you use xp pro with nuendo for exemple, dual cpu will help you alot. Especially if you really USE your system.
Btw, if dual cpu wouldnt help, why would Intel develop HT?... HT is just a virtual dual cpu.
Here is some information about Hyper-Threading, I think you really should read it all.
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/cpu/article.php/3261_1500631__2
Anyways, I'm not here to convert anyone to dual, I was just giving another option to gilwe. When you can have dual 2400+ for 370$ or 3200+ for 630$, it's more economic to go dual and it's gonna give you a pretty solid box for recording. (and even more than single 3200+ imo.)
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manning1
Banned
from a computer engineer
HT is but a step along a new road in the processor wars.
together with faster SATA hard drives. as silicon and vlsi
tends to break down new technologies have to be found anyway because there are only so many transistors that can be crammed
due to heat build up , thin junction problems etc. and just the plain old laws of physics which i just happen to have a degree in. just read research papers if you dont believe me. 8ghz - and things start to get very naughty for the semifab engineer from having dealt with a few in my life.
heres a REAL test. better than any other if you want to do a
"my system is bigger than yours test". where the rubber hits the road. good test of FPU. which is the key to fast audio processing.
try this with your dual MP, a vanilla athlon, and a pentium.
1. record in audacity say as its free a nice 5 minute long
piece of music.
2. now use audacitys noise reduction feature and see how long the process takes by timing it.
repeat the test using other echo or reverb algorythms.
this is a real life test and better than any other in my opinion.
i dont use a dual MP but i would be interested in hearing results vs a barton 2500+. i'd be surprise if theres much in it.
HT is but a step along a new road in the processor wars.
together with faster SATA hard drives. as silicon and vlsi
tends to break down new technologies have to be found anyway because there are only so many transistors that can be crammed
due to heat build up , thin junction problems etc. and just the plain old laws of physics which i just happen to have a degree in. just read research papers if you dont believe me. 8ghz - and things start to get very naughty for the semifab engineer from having dealt with a few in my life.
heres a REAL test. better than any other if you want to do a
"my system is bigger than yours test". where the rubber hits the road. good test of FPU. which is the key to fast audio processing.
try this with your dual MP, a vanilla athlon, and a pentium.
1. record in audacity say as its free a nice 5 minute long
piece of music.
2. now use audacitys noise reduction feature and see how long the process takes by timing it.
repeat the test using other echo or reverb algorythms.
this is a real life test and better than any other in my opinion.
i dont use a dual MP but i would be interested in hearing results vs a barton 2500+. i'd be surprise if theres much in it.
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gilwe
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christiaan said:
well, the same way RTAS plugins sound better than TDM, I thought some of those AMD features may let the software implemet a better sound processing accuracy.
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Polaris20
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Re: Re: Re: Re: P4 3Ghz HT or AMD athlon 3000+ ?
Sorry, I didn't know I wasn't allowed to disagree with anyone.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Shakuan said:
Sorry, I didn't know I wasn't allowed to disagree with anyone.
Thanks for clearing that up.
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Polaris20
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I really don't think that most "home recording" enthusiasts need dual processors, even with those apps that take advantage of them.
Usually two tiers from the top of the line, such as the 2800+ AMD is pretty sufficient, IMO.
But your mileage may vary, and as always, it's just my opinion.
BTW I am fully aware of what Hyperthreading is, I'm not an idiot.
Usually two tiers from the top of the line, such as the 2800+ AMD is pretty sufficient, IMO.
But your mileage may vary, and as always, it's just my opinion.
BTW I am fully aware of what Hyperthreading is, I'm not an idiot.
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Shakuan
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: P4 3Ghz HT or AMD athlon 3000+ ?
And where the hell did u get that from? wow just stfu instead of making shit up.
Polaris20 said:
And where the hell did u get that from? wow just stfu instead of making shit up.
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Shakuan
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Polaris20 said:
Why would anyone be an idiot for not knowing what Hyper-threading is? I just thought it was a nice read... it talks about the benefits of dual cpu (real or virtual) and it shows the real impact in windows with SS of Windows Task Manager.