Our Xmas song

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OK - as I had not recorded anything at all for months due to health and stuff - and after the September 11 shit - we just had to do something.

The opportunity came when Uru was asked to perform on the Unity Telethon TV program weekend before last. She decided to write a song for the show at the last minute, so we went in and recorded it the afternoon of the show, as the performance area was outside, so we needed a complete track in case it rained.
We got in the studio at 2.15, finished the thing and printed a CD at 8:30, went home, got changed, drove to the TV station and performed it at 11pm, live. When I get the video I'll post the live thing as well.

You can listen to it at http://nowhereradio.com Artist Uru, song title Do you believe.
Hope you enjoy it, Its the first thing I've recorded in the new studio (which is ready for mastering, but not really for tracking and mixing!). Also hope you enjoy the message.

If you are interested, it was recorded in Pro Tools using:
A "tubed-up" U87 going into a Control 24 Focusrite preamp (haven't got my good ones out yet), into a Lucid AD9624 direct into Pro Tools.
Plug-ins used were all TC - TC MegaVerb, TC VoiceTools, TC EQstat.
Track played (not sequenced - that hasn't been set up as yet) using a Yamaha Motif.
 
http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/alternative/uru/

I am listening at low levels right now because of 24 hour quiet during finals weeks, so I listened to Shania-from this moment on" as a reference, taking note of the space and the high end detail, and of course the quality of the voice.

I could not tell a difference in the lead vocal. It sounded like it was recorded with the same mic in the same room. Its awesome. Even Uru's voice sounded like shania's.

This is probably my favorite of hers after bittersweet. It has a sweet melody and backing vocals.

Any homerecorder hearing this song probably has every right to be frustrated. Here you are using a keyboard for all the sounds and a focusrite pre not to mention the plugins yet the track sounds like a big budget production worthy of the biggest studios. To add insult to injury, it was recorded and mixed in about 5 hours?

Sjoko2, you need to start a walkthrough clinic for us homereccers.

I love this track.
 
Very nice song! She has an amazing voice.

Is it just me, or do the vocals fade out slower than the other tracks at the end of the song? Just curious. I'm hoping my ears are maturing a bit.

Oh, and I second Cyan's motion for a walkthrough clinic to be taught by you ;)

All in favor?


-Peace
 
nope - its just a straight down fade on the stereo master. Just appears like that because of the frequencies involved (lower frequencies "appear to disappear" faster than midrange).

A walk through? Jeez, have to think ....... you mean the sequence in which I recorded and mixed it?
 
Ok this has got to be due to the pre amp, but i don't really like it. at all. Its plain, its bland, and too tell you the truth, this doesn't sound any better then people who have been using A/D converters way under the price of these overhyped Lucids. I submit, the genx6 clock tests showed me that it helps the sound of the delta 1010s, but i couldn't justify to anyone buying a lucid A/D. I just don't hear enough difference. And therefore I don't think many other people with a signal chain for monitoring less than mine will hear it. Now you will tell me that my monitoring chain isn't good enough, i know, the A/D will only determine how good it will sound. But i could distinguish the delta from the Lucid in the tests a couple weeks back. So clearly i can hear the difference.

I have to say, the last song i listened from you did have a certain DEPTH in the voice that this one lacked. Again, is this the preamp? Otherwise, i just found it boring, and really wouldn't stick out of the crowd much if any.

I'm sorry i don't have anything positive to say about it really.
 
Nice song..Really cries out for different BU vox{instead of her backin herself} for tonal spice..Also seems that a string pad with a moveing figure would open the section at approx 1.54..simple modulation probobly..it would ramp the song nicely for the "rave" vox at the end...Very nice work..Excellent emotion in the lead vox..Good luck with this one!

Don
 
I dug it. I suppose it would be easier to be more criticle if you'd spent 6 hours on it rather than 5 :D . Very cool my friend.
 
kristian, with all due respect, your comment does not make sence. You say "I just don't hear enough difference" and "it is plain and bland" and various other things. But ....... what are you comparing to what?
There is a difference between what is sound quality, and what is production. I could have just taken a U47, a MagMike, a Grace pre, an Avalon, a hand-build one, whatever, but choose what I used based on the sound I wanted, and sometimes that comes even down to using a 57 through a small mackie sidechain.
In this particular song I got the vocal sound I wanted for the song by having Uru sing in the control room, without headphones, and a L,C,R,S monitor setup playing the track quite loud, with the microphone in a slightly omnidirectional setting.
Also, instrumental track was produced for one single purpose, to function as Uru's backing track at a live TV performance. To ensure maximum impact for voice, and good sound on television, production was done to a formula, which in my experience works extremely well. When I get the tape from the TV station I will transfer the sound to MP3 so you can hear the live performance as well.
 
I'm not hearing what Kristian is hearing, I thought the tune was cool! And I had no problems with either the arrangement or the sound quality....

I thought the tracked worked well in all aspects!

Bruce
 
Come on sjoko,

How about letting us download your stuff.......GOT YA!!

That was beautifull, just about as smooth and natrural as it gets, to my ears.

Where do I start, the drums: very balanced, and perfectly free of what a lot of drums sound like, they have a cold.

Ever hear drums that sound like they have a cold?

How did you record the drums? Could be textbook!!

Singing, is without reproach, I love the panning, not too hard, just right. Tell us about the panning,

What Oclock?

Any drummers out there should take this recording very seriously!

Great work!

GT
 
Hey GT, maybe he recorded a snare hit, then a kick, then one of a hi hat. But that doesn't sound like a drum kit to me. Maybe samples he did, but most likely someone elses. If drummers like to play a triggered kit maybe this is a good one to listen to. But not if the mic the kit. For drifting R&B samples they are standard, but how much R&B has a real drummer?
 
Not too shabby. Man, she has a great voice. My take...

I decided to make it difficult on you and listened at lo-fi level. LOL. Still sounded pretty damn good. I found the main vox a little hot for my taste (ducks) but overall the mix was good. I found that the backing vocals actually distracted me from the main line which may or may not be what you want. But, I give it to you to chew on. Good work.
 
sjoko2,

Great song and she has a nice delivery. I am emailing the link to some friends.

I agree on the clinic, if you can swing the time.
 
Kristian- I cant get on here and listen on either site because traffic is too high and I cant even get either site up, but if its anywhere near as good as some of his other vocal recordings, well, I have yet to hear anyone on here top it, or even match it for that matter. I'm gonna try to listen tonight and see if it cuts the mustard with the other stuff, but in general his vocal sound is the undisputed champion around here. Have you listened to the others, did they sound better, or not as good? Those focusrite preamps arent really too great, they are platinum series, so that MIGHT be what was lacking. Let me know what you thought of the other ones.
Peace.
 
this one didn't hold a candle to his other vocal tracks. I dunno this song just didn't impress me. maybe it was the deliver of the artist. it just didn't work. Musically it seems underdeveloped. Like it was just done for shits and giggles.
 
Clinic? Jeeez. All I can do is tell you kind off step by step how we did it, and then you can ask questions if you like.
Don’t get hung-up on how I do or not do things too much; I have a different way of working with just about anyone I’m working with on a regular basis. As far as I’m concerned as an engineer and /or producer you have to find a place where you can meet creatively with an artist. That place differs from person to person. Don’t underestimate the importance of this statement if you want to be a good engineer. You really need to be a psychiatrist to do your best. As an example, I know one guitarist who is brilliant, but if I make him mad he’s even better, and then the recording goes from “normal” to “special”. I’ve called him everything under the sun, stopped him in the middle of tracking many times, just to upset him, it has always worked. (Note: don’t try that on others J, it just works in his case).

This song……. Uru was asked to write a song for Peter Noone (Herman’s Hermits)’s daughter Natalie, for Natalie to perform at a telethon fundraiser. Very short notice – 2 days before the show. Uru wrote the song, but it was a bit much to ask Natalie to learn and perform it live (she’s just 15), so the organizers asked if Uru would do it herself. I managed to get some time in the studio (had other people in here as I have not been able to work), the day of the performance. The performance area of the TV station concerned is outside, chance of rain, so we had to record, mix, master a backing track without a lead vocal for Uru to sing over live, as well as a complete version just in case it rained.

No time to set up – just go in and do it, and most of the ‘good’ gear still has not been installed.

First, Uru sang the song to me the night before, and I twiddled a bit with the Yamaha Motif to get a loop going with the right timing and feel. As we don’t have any MIDI stuff installed as yet – keep it straight and simple.
First thing we did in the studio was plug the Motif in. My first time recording with just the Motif, so first check out the analogue outputs, into an A/D9624 into Pro Tools, then did the same with the S/PDIF optical output. I found the optical out somewhat low (have written to Yamaha about that), but the sound superior. My chosen route was optical out of the Motif, into a SRC9624 sample rate converter (at 16/44.1) and out into Pro Tools via AES at 24/48. To save time I did most of the drum sounds (EQ, reverb, balance, panning) within the Motif and recorded it into PT as a stereo file.
Second, I put together a slap bass with 2 sampled guitar sounds, in order to create a pretty full-frequency-range bass / guitar sound, and played that over the track. Minimum variety, to keep it simple and make it quick.

Next, the vocals. Not something you would normally do at this point, but then, working with someone with perfect pitch has its advantages. First the choice of microphone and preamp.
First thing to consider, the main purpose was to make a backing track for a live performance, as well as a track to lip-synch to in case of rain. OK – so its likely she will sing live through something like a Shure. No good bringing her own live mic, because that’s an Audio Technica 5055 with an extended low end, the TV engineer would have to shelf the low end or we’ll run a risk there. So…… if she is going to sing through a Shure we have to make sure the backing vocals do not sound to full and polished, or they make the lead sound dull. The normal high end vocal chain (MagMike – hand build pre with 2 large optical tubes) is therefore out, as are the Grace and LS-1 pre’s. Try the Control 24’s Focusright pre’s for the first time (I cannot make up my mind if I don’t really – or really don’t like them – even though they are cool on drums).
First we do a scratch lead, as a try-out, using one of the Neumann U89 I ‘s. This mic in combo with the Focusrights just sounds to dull, so we go up a gear and use a U87, which has had its guts ripped out and replaced with “tubed” inners. This works, even tough the mic is definitely better than the pre’s deserve.
The set-up for Uru’s vocals is just the U87 – into a Control 24 Focusright Pre, into Pro Tools. No processing, outboard or plug-in. It’s a “don’t try this at home” thing with a good microphone like that, once again, with Uru its easy as she has brilliant microphone technique, she’ll keep those meters level, she’s just born to do it right, makes my life real easy. Also, remember we had very short time, so I had to think of making the track sound “full” without having to spend a lot of time on instrumentation, and consider that the lead might have to be one to lip-sync to. So on the mics power supply I set the (continuously variable) pattern slightly towards omni-directional. We track the vocals in the control room, with the monitors (L,S,R & Sub) on. You can do that here, as the control room itself sounds very good, and so do the monitors. This gives the lead vocal a distinct ‘live’ feel.
OK – we track the vocals with the U87, one take, and that’s the one you’ve heard, a keeper.
Next are the backing vocals. First I play the track from start to finish, with the mic open, and Uru sings a “central” backing voice. Then we go back and do harmonies. When working with Uru I tend to do the backing vocals in groups, here we did the same. There are 2 main groups, each with three harmonies. Then there are 2 sub group fillers, each with 2 voice harmony.
The key thing here is to find out what a singer NEEDS to hear. Strip unnecessary elements out of the mix. A singer needs to hear the best possible reference needed for the part in question, and that’s all. Master getting a good Q mix and your recording speed with go into overdrive.
Having recorded the backing vocals, I listen to them as groups. Take one group of three, find the ‘middle’ voice, keep that panned central, the high panned to one side, the low harmony to the other side. Then the other group, again panned, but the other way around, to create a nice balance in the mix. Same with the vocals which are in pairs rather than groups of three.
To save time I bounce each group back to disk as a stereo file, so I have them nicely balanced, but on 1 fader per group. Also to save time I now applied a small amount of reverb on each group, using a TC MegaReverb. Please note, there is no processing or EQ on any of the backing vocals other than the verb
Next – the lead vocal. Get the tools out, using TC VoiceTools to apply a small amount of EQ and a very light compression, as well as a reverb from the TC MegaReverb.
Having all the vocals (which are supposed to carry the whole tune) sounding as good as I can get them in the crazy timeframe, I fix them into a group, so one fader controls all.
Next, add the drums in the mix and create a pleasing balance, then add the combi “bass” sounds. These are a little to full, so I use a TC EQ sat to trim some frequencies, mainly in the ‘slap’ sound of the bass, as they are interfering with the vocal harmonies in some parts.
Having the whole mix finished I decided to add some padding, for which I program a delayed pad which ‘floats’. Play that into the track, only in the places I want to hear it.

Now its almost ready, but to add interest and emphasize some vocal parts, as well as to make a build-up feel to the track, I use mutes to drop out some parts, mainly drums. This makes the track a lot more dynamic and interesting. As a final touch I play in some barely audible bells, very sparingly.

With the master fader set at 0dB, we now have an overall level averaging –2dB, with some small peaks, mainly from the kick. No time to transfer everything for mastering, so I do a quick job by putting TC MasterX on the main bus, turn off the expander, drop the input level to about –3.6dB to ensure no peaks or clips, and then apply light compression which retains the dynamics but gets the volume up where I want it to be.

That was that. I have since mastered it properly, which sounds a damn load better than it did. Especially the MP3 file, which I think is a bit hard sounding. I didn’t have time to do a proper encoding within Pro Tools, so I did a quicky using the free version of MusicMatch on the computer.

When we finished we went home, got changed, with the intention to relax for an hour before going to the TV station. Didn’t work, I was just out of the bath and my phone went – could we please get there asap as they wanted to bring Uru’s performance forward., so we jumped in the car and went like hell. The weather had held up, so she did sing it live. I went into the sound booth and organized a quick check while they were interviewing someone, to dial in a good verb and make sure her monitors were cool, 4 minutes later we were on. Uru did a great job, 3 minutes 36 seconds, I grabbed the CD with the backing track, gave her her coat, and 1 minute later we were on the way home.
Something I learned from Keith Moon. Do your thing and “leave them there”. Good move. Everyone wanted to talk to Uru and Uru was gone, so the phone didn’t stop ringing, which gave us the chance to organize interviews etc. on our own turf.

Hope that is what you asked for. Any questions just ask.
 
You know your stuff, dude, putting something that good together that quickly. I'm really impressed by stuff like deciding which pre to use on the backing vocals so they don't outshine the main voice. Damn. Don't let it go to your head, though. :D
 
That was hot, sjoko2,

except that the dig outs on the motif sounded better than the lucid ad9624. Is this quantifiable and is there a reason why it is so?
 
motif = digital, like any other keyboard / synth.
So, to get an analogue signal out, the L & R signals have to go through the 'on-board' D/A converter, which is ok but not top quality. Therefore, if you can get the signal out and import it into a DAW without going through an on-board D/A - and then into another A/D, you will retain the original (and in the case of the Motif - very high) quality of the samples.

The above might not be the case if you have a keyboard with low quality samples, or an older keyboard (in which case you cannot get a digital out anyway), as low quality samples might benefit from a sample rate conversion with the 9624, due to its noise-shaping properties (it would come out sounding smoother)
 
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