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moresound
Loud Sun Studios
The hills are alive with the sound of music ........................ !
That kinda looks like a shot right out of *Toys*
The hills are alive with the sound of music ........................ !
That kinda looks like a shot right out of *Toys*
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Brumus
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very interesting question..need more hypothetical info as to how it goes down though, like are we mixing Tom Dowd style? with an EDL? or are we using our newfangled computer screens etc, 'looking' rather than listening to the music?
if the latter, better hope for an overcast day, or youll never see those screens LOL! then of course youll have to be careful of a downpour on your vintage Neve.
realistically tho, if you are truly mixing in the traditional sense, then outside monitoring will provide an airier (no pun) sound when played back INDOORS. because there is a lack of modality in the low end (nothing to influence or corrupt it) you will no doubt need to push the bass for a more comfortable listening experience once your playback starts bouncing off some walls. a live show outdoors (one with people attending) will have - at least - human bodies to bounce sound off of from the mains
also, im assuming we are mixing rock n roll (bass drums guitars etc).
great thought provoking question..
if the latter, better hope for an overcast day, or youll never see those screens LOL! then of course youll have to be careful of a downpour on your vintage Neve.
realistically tho, if you are truly mixing in the traditional sense, then outside monitoring will provide an airier (no pun) sound when played back INDOORS. because there is a lack of modality in the low end (nothing to influence or corrupt it) you will no doubt need to push the bass for a more comfortable listening experience once your playback starts bouncing off some walls. a live show outdoors (one with people attending) will have - at least - human bodies to bounce sound off of from the mains
also, im assuming we are mixing rock n roll (bass drums guitars etc).
great thought provoking question..
themdla
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i'm thinking no screen just a mixing board with the tracks already edited and cleaned up, also the mixer has eq, compression, and FX for every channel
see i feel like the lack of modes would cause you to mix the bass too heavy and once you were back inside the bass would be outta control.
of course rock and/or roll = field !!!!
country = farm
blues = trainyard
metal = submarine in the marianas trench!!
pop = simon cowell's asshole
punk = gutter
etc...
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moresound
Loud Sun Studios
All of this reminds me of a DVD I had seen about Niel Young recording one of his albums on a farm.
When it came to play back time they flew open the big barn doors to expoce a full concert PA and he was about a 1/4 of a mile away on a hill side listening to it and talking on film about the take ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~
Kinda coooooool.
When it came to play back time they flew open the big barn doors to expoce a full concert PA and he was about a 1/4 of a mile away on a hill side listening to it and talking on film about the take ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~
Kinda coooooool.
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NYMorningstar
Recording Modus Operandi
Wouldn't the sound be absorbed by the bodies to some extent and bounce off the extra heat and humidity assuming the speakers are above the crowd. I'm thinking that is why speakers are angled down; to reduce the angle of incidence from the refraction caused by the inversion layer (cold air above & warner air below)
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Brumus
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love it...
im somewhere in a field near a trainyard i guess, with a submarine museum closeby!!
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mixsit
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pat regan
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Mixing outdoors or in an anechoic room would almost be like mixing with headphones. It doesn't resemble a typical listening situation enough to be useful.
bouldersoundguy
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What's a typical listening situation? A good home system in a large living room, a boom box in a bedroom, iPod/mp3/earbuds, car system?
themdla
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So wait are you saying I should be mixing in/on....
A car, iPod headphones, a shitty boom box, or computer speakers?
Sorry to be lame about it but those seem to be the most popular listening environments.
Certainly I want my mixes to translate to those popular mediums but would mixing in a field/outdoors be worse than mixing in a small untreated room?
Neither are ideal but which is worse?
it seems one environment would over emphasize the bass response, muddy the low mids and have many reflection points (small untreated room), where the other (purely theoretical) would under emphasize the bass due to a complete lack of reflections but would provide good imaging and accurate mid/high response (outdoors)...
themdla
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haha boulder we posted the same thing @ the same time
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pat regan
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You decide what a typical listening situation is. It may be any that you have mentioned. Reasonably, you want your mix to sound good on a variety of playback setups and you want to check it on a few different systems, but practically, your making actual adjustments based on a single room/monitor combination that you trust. Now, for the sake of discussion, I would choose either outdoors or a dead room over headphones and I would choose headphones over a room with tricky acoustics.
p.s. don't forget to protect your hearing.
p.s. don't forget to protect your hearing.
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pat regan
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You decide what a typical listening situation is. It may be any that you have mentioned. Reasonably, you want your mix to sound good on a variety of playback setups and you want to check it on a few different systems, but practically, your making actual adjustments based on a single room/monitor combination that you trust. Now, for the sake of discussion, I would choose either outdoors or a dead room over headphones and I would choose headphones over a room with tricky acoustics.
p.s. don't forget to protect your hearing.
p.s. don't forget to protect your hearing.
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moresound
Loud Sun Studios
cool ..... deja vu
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
This argument comes up often, but it forgets one thing: that one is not making a mix just to sound good in a certain listening environment, they are making a mix to sound good. Period.So wait are you saying I should be mixing in/on....
A car, iPod headphones, a shitty boom box, or computer speakers?
Sorry to be lame about it but those seem to be the most popular listening environments.
The best way to do that is to mix on monitors (and in an environment) that lets the engineer really hear any and all of the details happening inside the mix. You can't do this on earbuds or a shitty boom box, etc.
A point most people miss when they talk about pros using NS-10s or Auratones or some crap speaker to see how their mixes sound is that they are usually NOT using those to actually mix on, but rather using them mostly as "check" playback speakers to check and see if the mix will sound good on non-studio speakers also.
Which is worse, mustard gas or napalm?
Seriously, all that really is is a choice between an untreated room and an over-treated room. The major difference between the two choices is that with the over-treated room (or outdoors), you know what the acoustics will be like. With an untreated room, the possibilities are all over the map. You could be sitting in a null or a peak, it could be over reflective or not, and so forth.
And of course if the room is really tiny or badly-shaped, the chances of it sounding great are minimal, but if the room is decently-sized and proportioned, and has a nice balance of furniture and wall use, and the mix position is a sensible one, it's entirely possible that the amount of treatment needed is minimal, and that it would be markedly superior to outdoors.
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moresound
Loud Sun Studios
Damn! ..... And I just got most of my stuff set up out behind the barn. 
And now it looks like it might rain SH!T.
And now it looks like it might rain SH!T.
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mixsit
Well-known member
Damn! ..... And I just got most of my stuff set up out behind the barn.
And now it looks like it might rain SH!T.
Hang in there ..for a while anyway, wait till' it snows. Now we have your best of both worlds -nice fluffy soft all-round!
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mixsit
Well-known member
Vuja de' That feeling you've never been anywhere before.
Mmm..
(I get that when it rains and snows.
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