subtractor
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Hmmm. Tyler must be at school.
tyler657recpro
Member
okay...yes I know I should never have written that...oh well.
...and who said I was gonna know how to use all this gear right away?
I'll PROBABLY be buying the crest deal first, then some A/D/A conversion and mics, then pres and comps, and it'll take me a few months to get all this stuff. Just because I buy it all at once doesn't mean I'm not gonna take the time to learn about all the gear first. I'm kinda in a difficult position at the moment, for buying stuff one thing at a time, because I really don't have any kind of a studio at all yet. If I get the crest, it will just sit around until I can get some mics, and a recording card. So basically, I have to spend like 10k so I can get something functional that I can then add the great river and avalon to, and other upgrades like that.
The other thing is I'm getting tired of people telling me to buy cheap crap, learn how to use the cheap crap, then sell the cheap crap at a loss, and buy better cheap crap and continually upgrade...or telling me to buy only the best of the best, and forget all this shit. Either way I'm spending close to $15,000 and I think that my money will be better spent buying better stuff.
As far as working at a music store, I think I can make better money elsewhere, and I'm not gonna learn anything selling live PA and music equiptment to people. Been there done that. I've worked in a live environment with no supervision, with over 1000 people in the audience, for a little over 3 years now. I basically taught myself how to mix, and EQ and compress, gain stages, impedances, all that kinda stuff in that environment. And I've basically done all I can do, except fine tune my skills, and things of that sort. I think that is more experience than I'll get in a music store, or at least the ones where I live. As far as getting gear cheaper, I pay less than the dealer price as it is right now for almost anything I could want. So I'm not worried about that.
And yes I know ALL about learning about each piece of gear and how to make it perform better or in the way you want it too. And I understand where you're coming from saying that I shouldn't buy everything at once. And I probably won't buy it ALL at once, but I have to buy a lot of it because I'm putting together a basic system, and a lot of it needs some of the other stuff to be able to be used. Like...what's the point of having a mixer if you have no mics? And what's the point of having all that if you have no way to record?
The other problem I have is that I'm not currently a musician, so if I want to record anything, I have to get people to come and play. If I don't have anything but a soundblaster and a behringer mixer, then that can cause some problems.
As you can see, I'm kinda stuck in the middle somewhere. Money isn't a huge problem, I'm usually pretty good at getting money together, (it took me 1 1/2 months to get 1200 bucks for the system I have now, and I didn't really try that hard, and didn't have a job). I have all sorts of crazy ideas for how to get money, and most of them work.
As far as the fairy goes, yes, she made a much better impression when first coming to this board, and I kinda blew it. And now I have a great reputation going for myself. I've apologized, and been trying really hard to keep that behind me. I have a huge problem with admitting when I am wrong, so yeah, I kinda screwed myself over. But anyway...
Thanks for the time and thought you put into that post for me knightfly. Even though it doesn't seem like it, I DO appreciate it.
...and who said I was gonna know how to use all this gear right away?
I'll PROBABLY be buying the crest deal first, then some A/D/A conversion and mics, then pres and comps, and it'll take me a few months to get all this stuff. Just because I buy it all at once doesn't mean I'm not gonna take the time to learn about all the gear first. I'm kinda in a difficult position at the moment, for buying stuff one thing at a time, because I really don't have any kind of a studio at all yet. If I get the crest, it will just sit around until I can get some mics, and a recording card. So basically, I have to spend like 10k so I can get something functional that I can then add the great river and avalon to, and other upgrades like that.
The other thing is I'm getting tired of people telling me to buy cheap crap, learn how to use the cheap crap, then sell the cheap crap at a loss, and buy better cheap crap and continually upgrade...or telling me to buy only the best of the best, and forget all this shit. Either way I'm spending close to $15,000 and I think that my money will be better spent buying better stuff.
As far as working at a music store, I think I can make better money elsewhere, and I'm not gonna learn anything selling live PA and music equiptment to people. Been there done that. I've worked in a live environment with no supervision, with over 1000 people in the audience, for a little over 3 years now. I basically taught myself how to mix, and EQ and compress, gain stages, impedances, all that kinda stuff in that environment. And I've basically done all I can do, except fine tune my skills, and things of that sort. I think that is more experience than I'll get in a music store, or at least the ones where I live. As far as getting gear cheaper, I pay less than the dealer price as it is right now for almost anything I could want. So I'm not worried about that.
And yes I know ALL about learning about each piece of gear and how to make it perform better or in the way you want it too. And I understand where you're coming from saying that I shouldn't buy everything at once. And I probably won't buy it ALL at once, but I have to buy a lot of it because I'm putting together a basic system, and a lot of it needs some of the other stuff to be able to be used. Like...what's the point of having a mixer if you have no mics? And what's the point of having all that if you have no way to record?
The other problem I have is that I'm not currently a musician, so if I want to record anything, I have to get people to come and play. If I don't have anything but a soundblaster and a behringer mixer, then that can cause some problems.
As you can see, I'm kinda stuck in the middle somewhere. Money isn't a huge problem, I'm usually pretty good at getting money together, (it took me 1 1/2 months to get 1200 bucks for the system I have now, and I didn't really try that hard, and didn't have a job). I have all sorts of crazy ideas for how to get money, and most of them work.
As far as the fairy goes, yes, she made a much better impression when first coming to this board, and I kinda blew it. And now I have a great reputation going for myself. I've apologized, and been trying really hard to keep that behind me. I have a huge problem with admitting when I am wrong, so yeah, I kinda screwed myself over. But anyway...
Thanks for the time and thought you put into that post for me knightfly. Even though it doesn't seem like it, I DO appreciate it.
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trebles
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tyler slow down your .........................................15 still.
you got a lot of energy to burn so i am sure alot of that is adding to your confussion here.
Tyler anyone can sell you gear but no one can sell you knowledge patience and humility
In my humble opionion what id do is this
continue to save your money thats a great idea by the time you get your goal amount it will show you how hard it is to save it
better still if you can save yourself say $5000 what id do is this
Go to the bank or look for a financial institution who have a good reputation for sound conservative investment nothing radical
open yourself up a mutual fund.
what is this you ask?
heres the simple look at what it is i am saying here go in lock away 5000 dollars for two years then come back and see what it has increased by this will start you of on the road to investing money rather then spending it
now with time and patience your money will grow alot faster then just shoving it in a bank at low intrest or trying to scrape together money to have it all now.
With anything you do in life you need a plan you need time and you need patience to achieve your plan or eventual goal you also need some humility to step back a few steps and see what people are trying to say to you here.
If you listen to what i am saying to you here tyler you will build wealth for yourself and in time the intrest will pay for your gear while the capitol keeps working away in the background and getting bigger as it goes.
the other thing to note here is NEVER WITHDRAW YOUR CAPITOL WITHOUT IT YOU WILL EARN NOTHING KEEP ROLLING IT OVER WHILE ADDING MONEY TO IT MONEY MAKES MONEY FULLSTOP.
NO ONE GETS RICH QUICK BY SPENDING THE LITTLE THEY HAVE
They say you cant put an old head on young shoulders but i say why not be smart here and learn from guys who have made all the mistakes you have made plus some
Your not dumb tyler you just need a direction and alot of what ive been talking about as above.
I know alot may tell me to wake up here but it took me years myself to realise this is te only way.
remember this your life years down the track will be about more then just recording gear and you need to secure your future now the sooner the better you may not believe me thats ok but when you are a lil older and uglier like the rest of us here you may look back and say that old bastard was right
think about what ive said to you about investing your money give it a few years kid you will be alot happier then you may not see it all in 6 months but if you renew your energies in other more productive ways you will have the gear you want in one hit and also have a nice bit of money tucked away for later years
and thats when your going to really need the money tyler your bullet proof now but add another 20 years to your age and man you will be wishing you looked at what i was telling you.
96k will take care of 96khz for you
save your money kid
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littledog
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I've been away for a while and missed all the fun...
What a bunch of wet blankets we've got around here!
Seems like we're all saying that you shouldn't have fun while you're young, you shouldn't blow your money on wild schemes (or fast cars). And certainly no ambitious and "unrealistic" plans and schemes! No, much better you should put your money in a mutual fund so that when you are 69.5 years old you can start to enjoy life.
Sorry. i don't buy it. When you are young you've got nothing to lose, and plenty of time to recoup your losses. You've also got plenty of time to think like a fifty year old (like me) when you're fifty. I don't regret any of the stupid things i did when i was 20 (well, maybe one or two...) because I had fun and i grew from the experiences.
At fifteen Tyler can try to build a working space shuttle in his back yard for all we should care. And he should have every right to dream of all the oddball get rich quick schemes he can come up with.
But the fact is, that most of what Tyler is planning shows a lot of mature thinking and careful research. Yet we just can't stop pissing on his fire. I'll be the first one to step up and admit that at fifteen I had a lot less smarts, a ton less ambition, and not a whit of direction compared to Tyler. I was more concerned with playing soccer, despairing my virginity, and seeing how much responsibility I could possibly avoid. But I'm not resentful that Tyler has it more together than I did. Hell, how often do we all bemoan the fact that "today's youth" spend all their time being passively entertained by computers and video games resulting in a fat, lazy, illiterate generation. And here comes the antithesis of all of that - TYLER - and we thrilled to see a kid who is literate, ambitious, and resourseful... right? Apparently not!
Yeah, he got off to a rocky start around here. But how much longer does he have to pay for it? I can't help but feel if he just signed on with a new identity and asked a lot of the same questions he would get a much different response, at least in tone if not content.
Shouldn't we be happy for Tyler that he has the talent and drive to raise $15,000 at his age without being petty and jealous, just because it takes us three months to save for a monster cable? Maybe we should be taking lessons from him?
So, Tyler, go ahead and build your dream studio. Screw the mutual fund. Don't stop dreaming yet - plenty of time for that when you're older like the rest of us jaded spoilsports.
What a bunch of wet blankets we've got around here!
Seems like we're all saying that you shouldn't have fun while you're young, you shouldn't blow your money on wild schemes (or fast cars). And certainly no ambitious and "unrealistic" plans and schemes! No, much better you should put your money in a mutual fund so that when you are 69.5 years old you can start to enjoy life.
Sorry. i don't buy it. When you are young you've got nothing to lose, and plenty of time to recoup your losses. You've also got plenty of time to think like a fifty year old (like me) when you're fifty. I don't regret any of the stupid things i did when i was 20 (well, maybe one or two...) because I had fun and i grew from the experiences.
At fifteen Tyler can try to build a working space shuttle in his back yard for all we should care. And he should have every right to dream of all the oddball get rich quick schemes he can come up with.
But the fact is, that most of what Tyler is planning shows a lot of mature thinking and careful research. Yet we just can't stop pissing on his fire. I'll be the first one to step up and admit that at fifteen I had a lot less smarts, a ton less ambition, and not a whit of direction compared to Tyler. I was more concerned with playing soccer, despairing my virginity, and seeing how much responsibility I could possibly avoid. But I'm not resentful that Tyler has it more together than I did. Hell, how often do we all bemoan the fact that "today's youth" spend all their time being passively entertained by computers and video games resulting in a fat, lazy, illiterate generation. And here comes the antithesis of all of that - TYLER - and we thrilled to see a kid who is literate, ambitious, and resourseful... right? Apparently not!
Yeah, he got off to a rocky start around here. But how much longer does he have to pay for it? I can't help but feel if he just signed on with a new identity and asked a lot of the same questions he would get a much different response, at least in tone if not content.
Shouldn't we be happy for Tyler that he has the talent and drive to raise $15,000 at his age without being petty and jealous, just because it takes us three months to save for a monster cable? Maybe we should be taking lessons from him?
So, Tyler, go ahead and build your dream studio. Screw the mutual fund. Don't stop dreaming yet - plenty of time for that when you're older like the rest of us jaded spoilsports.
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trebles
New member
ohhhhhhhhhhhhh myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy .....................................
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littledog
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trebles said:
ohhhhhhhhhhhhh myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy .....................................
(i guess that makes two of us...)
Badger
Active member
littledog said:
And get the fuck off my lawn!!
Damn Kids...
tyler657recpro
Member
thanks again littledog! you make me sound so cool. "literate, ambitious, and resourceful"
Fine I'll get off your fucking lawn you bastard! C'mon guys, let's go TP old man Harrison...
Fine I'll get off your fucking lawn you bastard! C'mon guys, let's go TP old man Harrison...
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trebles
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Tyler there is one thing in sounding like the above but the reality here is...............B E I N G L I K E T H E A B O V E cool. "literate, ambitious, and resourceful and if you are all these things then being it is much better then sounding like it.
Lets get one thing straight here alot of people got into posts slanging others when they either have no business doing so or they have just read your post and decided they knew fully what one was saying here.
In a nut shell i was saying to you Buy your equipment but also take a reality check here.
Right now anyone our age should not expect you to think like us as we are a lot older and have already made those mistakes which you may still make.
i was simply trying to assist you in a way i knew would trully be of benifit to you and in other ways make you a little money for your future if this aint important to you then ignore my post ..........but remember those who seem to be knocking me wont be there to pick you up out of the gutter when your flat broke and selling your stuff at give away prices because you either didnt realise your dream or spent up big before you trully knew all the ins and outs of what can trully go wrong here.
It dont take a million dollars worth of equipment to make good recordings it takes know how and experience the know how will take you further the your next mic pre or compressor gathering dust amoungst your unrealised field of dreams.
If you are clever stop asking about the next best piece of equipment read your books and then ask questions based upon what you read start topics up in bbs which get people to think things like mic placement and gain structure and things you really need to know now not if a great river mic pre will be better to buy now.
Your not in that league as yet and to go buy a piece of equipment just to satisfy your GAS problem aint going to make you a success in this business.
If your smart you wont take this as someone slanging you rather you will be inspired by what is said and will do something about it
Many can tell you what you want to hear and become instant friends but few will really tell you how it is.
Start small learn what really is worth buying and set yourself a realistic shopping list based on your income.
Realise this if you spend too much money now your returns will be minimal
now unless your a gun for hire doing walk in sessions for big dollars you are just throwing your money away
on the other hand if this is what you want to do because you feel your young and you cant wait go ahead there are plenty of crusty old contributers to this thread who will spur you on and tell you to go for it so if this is the advice you value instant gratification grab yourself a good dusting cloth while your at it and have fun
knightfly
GrouchyOldFartOnBatteries
"Thanks for the time and thought you put into that post for me knightfly. Even though it doesn't seem like it, I DO appreciate it." - ON the contrary Tyler, it DOES seem like you appreciate it. I'm more than slightly amazed and pleased (for both of us) at the degree you've re-invented yourself. And, as you could see by the favorable comments on my post, others also think you would be making a mistake by getting everything at once.
Now, I'm NOT suggesting that you "buy cheap crap and sell it later" - that would be really dumb. What I AM saying is that you would be much more likely to get the most out of each piece of gear by not having it compete with a whole room full of new "toys" all at the same time. And it doesn't matter if you're Tom Lord Alge or Rupert Neve or whoever, even those guys will get more out of their gear if they learn it one piece at a time, it's just that with their level of experience the whole thing would go faster.
What I WOULD suggest is that you figure out what you MUST HAVE in order to record anything at all, start with that and add to it as you can. With a well thought out plan, you could start with a mixer that is known for its pro sound quality and get things like Grace pre's or Avalons or whatever, later. There are any number of starting bands anywhere you want to look that will jump at the chance for reasonably priced recording time, and you both can learn while you're doing. This will also get you actually DOING it sooner than getting ALL the stuff at once.
What I would NOT suggest is buying anything that you feel you will want to ditch in the forseeable future. Get as good a quality gear as you can reasonably afford, and get the most out of it by learning more about it than the guy who designed it.
Think of it this way: If it was EASY to be the best, then nobody would give a rat's ass if you were the best, because EVERYBODY would be the best, and the term would then be MEANINGLESS. Sooo, the more you work on your abilities, the more you're going to stand out from the pack and the more you can charge for your services. The reason people get to be the top of their field is because they have CHOSEN to do what they have a PASSION for - I'll give you a personal example of just such a "wake up call" -
Several years ago I was on a schedule in my day job where I had some of my days off during the week. My wife worked a normal 8-5 shift, 5 days a week. My studio is well-sealed enough so that when you go in and close the door, you have NO IDEA whether it's day or night. On numerous of my mid-week days off, I would go to the studio (about 100 feet from my house, on 10 acres in the country) at about the same time my wife left for work. After "a couple of hours", or so it seemed, I would think, "gee, I'm gettin' kinda hungry, must be time to go get some lunch" - When I opened the studio door, I found that it was DARK outside and my wife was in bed asleep (about 10:30 PM) - Point being, If that didn't tell ME what I should be doing with my life, then I'm too brain-dead to be able to feed myself...
Just to re-inforce Littledog's well-taken points, even a banker will tell you (if he's being honest) that the one thing you should invest in BEFORE anything else is YOURSELF, especially if it's in the context of your own business. There is almost no investment you can buy into that will make you as much ROI as investing in your own properly run business. My own son can back me up on that one, he's taken an investment of maybe $25k 3 years ago and turned it into a $200k a year (and growing) graphic arts company. Show me a mutual fund that pays 900% and I'm all over it...
Anyway, I know you're gonna do what YOU want, since (like all of us) you know advice is meant to be GIVEN, not TAKEN, but I think there are ways of accomplishing what you want to do without subjecting yourself to the level of stress that trying to learn 30 different pieces of gear simultaneously can cause -
Also, let the record show that anybody who thinks I'm raggin' on Tyler is welcome to install a glass belly button, so they can see where they're goin... Steve
Now, I'm NOT suggesting that you "buy cheap crap and sell it later" - that would be really dumb. What I AM saying is that you would be much more likely to get the most out of each piece of gear by not having it compete with a whole room full of new "toys" all at the same time. And it doesn't matter if you're Tom Lord Alge or Rupert Neve or whoever, even those guys will get more out of their gear if they learn it one piece at a time, it's just that with their level of experience the whole thing would go faster.
What I WOULD suggest is that you figure out what you MUST HAVE in order to record anything at all, start with that and add to it as you can. With a well thought out plan, you could start with a mixer that is known for its pro sound quality and get things like Grace pre's or Avalons or whatever, later. There are any number of starting bands anywhere you want to look that will jump at the chance for reasonably priced recording time, and you both can learn while you're doing. This will also get you actually DOING it sooner than getting ALL the stuff at once.
What I would NOT suggest is buying anything that you feel you will want to ditch in the forseeable future. Get as good a quality gear as you can reasonably afford, and get the most out of it by learning more about it than the guy who designed it.
Think of it this way: If it was EASY to be the best, then nobody would give a rat's ass if you were the best, because EVERYBODY would be the best, and the term would then be MEANINGLESS. Sooo, the more you work on your abilities, the more you're going to stand out from the pack and the more you can charge for your services. The reason people get to be the top of their field is because they have CHOSEN to do what they have a PASSION for - I'll give you a personal example of just such a "wake up call" -
Several years ago I was on a schedule in my day job where I had some of my days off during the week. My wife worked a normal 8-5 shift, 5 days a week. My studio is well-sealed enough so that when you go in and close the door, you have NO IDEA whether it's day or night. On numerous of my mid-week days off, I would go to the studio (about 100 feet from my house, on 10 acres in the country) at about the same time my wife left for work. After "a couple of hours", or so it seemed, I would think, "gee, I'm gettin' kinda hungry, must be time to go get some lunch" - When I opened the studio door, I found that it was DARK outside and my wife was in bed asleep (about 10:30 PM) - Point being, If that didn't tell ME what I should be doing with my life, then I'm too brain-dead to be able to feed myself...
Just to re-inforce Littledog's well-taken points, even a banker will tell you (if he's being honest) that the one thing you should invest in BEFORE anything else is YOURSELF, especially if it's in the context of your own business. There is almost no investment you can buy into that will make you as much ROI as investing in your own properly run business. My own son can back me up on that one, he's taken an investment of maybe $25k 3 years ago and turned it into a $200k a year (and growing) graphic arts company. Show me a mutual fund that pays 900% and I'm all over it...
Anyway, I know you're gonna do what YOU want, since (like all of us) you know advice is meant to be GIVEN, not TAKEN, but I think there are ways of accomplishing what you want to do without subjecting yourself to the level of stress that trying to learn 30 different pieces of gear simultaneously can cause -
Also, let the record show that anybody who thinks I'm raggin' on Tyler is welcome to install a glass belly button, so they can see where they're goin... Steve
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littledog
New member
Treble and others:
Sorry if my comments came across as a personal attack. I know everyone here has been called worse than "wet blankets" or "spoilsports", and I used those terms intentionally in an effort to keep my comments somewhat lighthearted. (You'll know when I'm getting personal, believe me!
) I know that Knightfly knows me well enough so that he understood what I was trying to communicate, but I shouldn't assume the others, like Treble, would necessarily understand my "style". So, again, sorry! (Cool word, by the way: "slanging". I've learned more Aussie talk hanging on these bbs's than I had previously accumulated in a lifetime!)
Anyway, I actually think that Treble's advice is excellent if Tyler's goal is primarily to attain financial security. My only point was, that I see a huge potential in Tyler - if only by comparing where I was and what I was agonizing about at his age. (Hint: I wasn't thinking about Great River OR an index fund!). And because of that, I think he should go all out for what seems to me what could well be his true calling and/or passion. $15,000 is a lot of money... but in the overall scheme of things it's not really much money at all. Certainly worth the gamble to find out if he has a real aptitude in this field. Knightfly's points about "self-investment" in his last post are very well articulated, and I agree 100%.
Almost invariably, when someone writes and asks if they should go to a Recording School, where the tuition and expenses would certainly come to far more than $15,000, the consensus opinion has historically been (on these boards) that you can learn more by sinking the same money into some gear and fixing up a room and just "doing it".
Seems to me like Tyler is just following the consensus advice - the only difference is that he's getting a few year's head start (agewise) on the typical person who usually asks that question. So what's wrong with that? I guess I'm not so concerned if Tyler makes all the "exactly right" (whatever that means) equipment choices. What really counts is that he not let his passion get sapped by minutia!
If I came across as a bit negative, the source of that wasn't so much at Treble's valid financial planning advice, but at some of the others who feel they have to constantly put Tyler and/or his ambitions down simply because he is young (and hasn't paid enough dues to suit some folks), or that he offended them in some of his earliest interactions here on homerec.
I have plenty of respect for all those who wrote about spending years recording to 2-track, and more years recording to 4-track. After all, I did it myself, and I learned plenty working that way, but that doesn't mean "today's kids" have to duplicate my experience in order to have a valid learning path. Time and (affordable) technology march on and change the rules of the game...
Sorry if my comments came across as a personal attack. I know everyone here has been called worse than "wet blankets" or "spoilsports", and I used those terms intentionally in an effort to keep my comments somewhat lighthearted. (You'll know when I'm getting personal, believe me!
) I know that Knightfly knows me well enough so that he understood what I was trying to communicate, but I shouldn't assume the others, like Treble, would necessarily understand my "style". So, again, sorry! (Cool word, by the way: "slanging". I've learned more Aussie talk hanging on these bbs's than I had previously accumulated in a lifetime!)Anyway, I actually think that Treble's advice is excellent if Tyler's goal is primarily to attain financial security. My only point was, that I see a huge potential in Tyler - if only by comparing where I was and what I was agonizing about at his age. (Hint: I wasn't thinking about Great River OR an index fund!). And because of that, I think he should go all out for what seems to me what could well be his true calling and/or passion. $15,000 is a lot of money... but in the overall scheme of things it's not really much money at all. Certainly worth the gamble to find out if he has a real aptitude in this field. Knightfly's points about "self-investment" in his last post are very well articulated, and I agree 100%.
Almost invariably, when someone writes and asks if they should go to a Recording School, where the tuition and expenses would certainly come to far more than $15,000, the consensus opinion has historically been (on these boards) that you can learn more by sinking the same money into some gear and fixing up a room and just "doing it".
Seems to me like Tyler is just following the consensus advice - the only difference is that he's getting a few year's head start (agewise) on the typical person who usually asks that question. So what's wrong with that? I guess I'm not so concerned if Tyler makes all the "exactly right" (whatever that means) equipment choices. What really counts is that he not let his passion get sapped by minutia!
If I came across as a bit negative, the source of that wasn't so much at Treble's valid financial planning advice, but at some of the others who feel they have to constantly put Tyler and/or his ambitions down simply because he is young (and hasn't paid enough dues to suit some folks), or that he offended them in some of his earliest interactions here on homerec.
I have plenty of respect for all those who wrote about spending years recording to 2-track, and more years recording to 4-track. After all, I did it myself, and I learned plenty working that way, but that doesn't mean "today's kids" have to duplicate my experience in order to have a valid learning path. Time and (affordable) technology march on and change the rules of the game...
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trebles
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point taken lil dog im glad i see what you mean now.
$15,000 us dollars for tyler would be plenty to get him going but id say if he is smart he would be wise to be careful how he spends his money its not like im saying "this is how you do it" but more i am saying its easy to get carried away when your young we all did it and i guess what i was offering was some insight into assisting tyler out just some safe ways he could make his money work for him and then use some lets says about
5 to7k used to buy equipment and the rest invest it in a mutual fund at least if he only bought what he needed at realistic prices he then could always sell it without to much pain to the hip pocket
if he became bored or lost intrest thats a more balanced way i feel to approach it but this is only my opionion and he may have other ideas anyway i hope your plans work out for you tyler which ever way you decide to go
$15,000 us dollars for tyler would be plenty to get him going but id say if he is smart he would be wise to be careful how he spends his money its not like im saying "this is how you do it" but more i am saying its easy to get carried away when your young we all did it and i guess what i was offering was some insight into assisting tyler out just some safe ways he could make his money work for him and then use some lets says about
5 to7k used to buy equipment and the rest invest it in a mutual fund at least if he only bought what he needed at realistic prices he then could always sell it without to much pain to the hip pocket
if he became bored or lost intrest thats a more balanced way i feel to approach it but this is only my opionion and he may have other ideas anyway i hope your plans work out for you tyler which ever way you decide to go
tyler657recpro
Member
Ok...man this is a lot to reply to. I'll keep it short.
Well, you all seem to be giving very good advice, and I will be certain to take it all into account when I actually spend the money.
I totally understand where knightfly's coming from with not buying everything at once, and I do admit it may be a bit overwhelming, but I do think I can deal with it. Think being the key word here.
Trebles, the money in question does not exist yet, but I will be earning it with the intention of spending it on audio gear, I guess that's how I justify the cost, but I'm really don't think it would make me that much money very quickly. If it were to double it in a year then it might be worth it, but to let that much money just sit there for ten years before I make enough to buy something seems a little pointless at this point in my life. I could see how that would work if I was older, because I'd have other sources of money, and could put that money there and not miss it. I'm not really sure how much I understand this mutual fund thing, so correct me if I'm wrong, please.
Uhm.. I think that's all the major comments, besides littledog's who's wasn't really directed toward me, so yeah.
Thanks guys for all the well thought out posts, and I will take all that advice into account when it comes time.
...Now...back to soundcards...lol
Well, you all seem to be giving very good advice, and I will be certain to take it all into account when I actually spend the money.
I totally understand where knightfly's coming from with not buying everything at once, and I do admit it may be a bit overwhelming, but I do think I can deal with it. Think being the key word here.
Trebles, the money in question does not exist yet, but I will be earning it with the intention of spending it on audio gear, I guess that's how I justify the cost, but I'm really don't think it would make me that much money very quickly. If it were to double it in a year then it might be worth it, but to let that much money just sit there for ten years before I make enough to buy something seems a little pointless at this point in my life. I could see how that would work if I was older, because I'd have other sources of money, and could put that money there and not miss it. I'm not really sure how much I understand this mutual fund thing, so correct me if I'm wrong, please.
Uhm.. I think that's all the major comments, besides littledog's who's wasn't really directed toward me, so yeah.
Thanks guys for all the well thought out posts, and I will take all that advice into account when it comes time.
...Now...back to soundcards...lol
tyler657recpro
Member
Ok...man this is a lot to reply to. I'll keep it short.
Well, you all seem to be giving very good advice, and I will be certain to take it all into account when I actually spend the money.
I totally understand where knightfly's coming from with not buying everything at once, and I do admit it may be a bit overwhelming, but I do think I can deal with it. Think being the key word here.
Trebles, the money in question does not exist yet, but I will be earning it with the intention of spending it on audio gear, I guess that's how I justify the cost, but I'm really don't think it would make me that much money very quickly. If it were to double it in a year then it might be worth it, but to let that much money just sit there for ten years before I make enough to buy something seems a little pointless at this point in my life. I could see how that would work if I was older, because I'd have other sources of money, and could put that money there and not miss it. I'm not really sure how much I understand this mutual fund thing, so correct me if I'm wrong, please.
Uhm.. I think that's all the major comments, besides littledog's who's wasn't really directed toward me, so yeah.
Thanks guys for all the well thought out posts, and I will take all that advice into account when it comes time.
...Now...back to soundcards...lol
Well, you all seem to be giving very good advice, and I will be certain to take it all into account when I actually spend the money.
I totally understand where knightfly's coming from with not buying everything at once, and I do admit it may be a bit overwhelming, but I do think I can deal with it. Think being the key word here.
Trebles, the money in question does not exist yet, but I will be earning it with the intention of spending it on audio gear, I guess that's how I justify the cost, but I'm really don't think it would make me that much money very quickly. If it were to double it in a year then it might be worth it, but to let that much money just sit there for ten years before I make enough to buy something seems a little pointless at this point in my life. I could see how that would work if I was older, because I'd have other sources of money, and could put that money there and not miss it. I'm not really sure how much I understand this mutual fund thing, so correct me if I'm wrong, please.
Uhm.. I think that's all the major comments, besides littledog's who's wasn't really directed toward me, so yeah.
Thanks guys for all the well thought out posts, and I will take all that advice into account when it comes time.
...Now...back to soundcards...lol
T
trebles
New member
Tyler think of it this way
For one there are many many top notch producers and engineers out there right now earning less then public servants so if you have any intentions of getting rich quick there are much easier ways then the music industry.
Its good to have a passion and to dream your young so enjoy the time you have.
Your money put into a normal bank account is as good as flushing it down the can this means to make your money work for you there has to be other ways.
With the stock market being an uncertain bet right now the best way for the medium term would be in a mutual fund no one is saying lock the whole lot away but if you said well whats it gonna take for me to double my money well that will take alot of money but lets face it if you locked away 2000 dollars in a normal bank account your return would be peanuts in a mutual fund you could realise about 200 dollars in intrest alone and that would be alot better then what the banks genrally offer.
Whats the down side here well you got to keep your mits of the money for at least 12 months but anyone investing money in such a fashion aint doing it for the short term thats for sure.
I know this all seems like pie in the sky to you now but remember one think tyler money makes money there is no two ways about it
starting out a well planned money strategy at your age will make you a very rich man by the time you reach our ages
think of it this way social security or financial security we all have the choices.
look i dont really know what type of studio you have in mind but if its gear you require for a convential type project studio you would not need to spend a kings ransom to get good gear heres what i think
mics
audio technica atm 25 x1
Ecm 8000 omni x2
Shure sm57x4
Mxl V67g x1
Mxl603 x2
Beyer m88 x1
Beyer 260nc x1
if you had a few more dollars spare you may add to that
Sp C1x1
Sp c3 x2
Sp T3 x1
Mic Pres
http://www.zzounds.com/a--2676837/love.music?p=p.SPIRW5633&a=adTLink,SPIRW5633_020607
soundcraft m series for the ghost mic pres
add to this
2XRNP MIC PRES WHEN THEY ARE RELEASED
AND ALSO 1 X STUDIO PROJECTS NEW MIC PRE VT1 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS NOW
Compressors
2x rnc
1x Behringer composer not the pro get the earlier composer model
1x autocom the early model
later adds to the compressors later on now this is if you find your making some headway would be
urei 1176
universal audio la2a
distressor
dbx 160a or 160 x
a few reliable di boxes countrymen type 85
soundcards if you so desired to go anywhere remotely near a computer would be
lynx audio 1 or 2
rme soundcards along with an rme multiface
Multifx
Lexicon pcm70
lexicon lxp15
roland srv 3030 d
Alesis quadraverb Q2
HD Recorder
Alesis hd24
2 track recorder
standalone cd/cdrw burner HHB830
Monitors
mackie hr824,s
and if you ever make it big some meyer hd1,s
NOW SOME OF THIS GEAR IS EXPENSIVE BUT YOU WOULD NOT NEED IT ALL TO GET STARTED.
Essp the high end compressors for now.
Tyler if i had the above set up id be very happy indeed im actually working of a list very much like this im buying the bits as i have the money one think for sure is most everyrthing on this list is good gear and will allow you to work and give you many years of trouble free service provided you look after it all ive not included things like good mic cable and sheilded audio cable etc but one would always be smart to spend well here as good connectors and good audio cable is most important in your sound chain
also running all leads balanced if possible the rncs messing this up along with one or two other misc items but its always good to strive for perfection
your enviroment and the way you work with your mic selection your gain structure and your overall choice of equipment depending upon the job your doing at the time will be just as important as the overall gear you buy so keep all this in balance with what you already know
ang hey a few good books on the subject never went astray either o well thats all i got to say other then good luck) keep smiling
For one there are many many top notch producers and engineers out there right now earning less then public servants so if you have any intentions of getting rich quick there are much easier ways then the music industry.
Its good to have a passion and to dream your young so enjoy the time you have.
Your money put into a normal bank account is as good as flushing it down the can this means to make your money work for you there has to be other ways.
With the stock market being an uncertain bet right now the best way for the medium term would be in a mutual fund no one is saying lock the whole lot away but if you said well whats it gonna take for me to double my money well that will take alot of money but lets face it if you locked away 2000 dollars in a normal bank account your return would be peanuts in a mutual fund you could realise about 200 dollars in intrest alone and that would be alot better then what the banks genrally offer.
Whats the down side here well you got to keep your mits of the money for at least 12 months but anyone investing money in such a fashion aint doing it for the short term thats for sure.
I know this all seems like pie in the sky to you now but remember one think tyler money makes money there is no two ways about it
starting out a well planned money strategy at your age will make you a very rich man by the time you reach our ages
think of it this way social security or financial security we all have the choices.
look i dont really know what type of studio you have in mind but if its gear you require for a convential type project studio you would not need to spend a kings ransom to get good gear heres what i think
mics
audio technica atm 25 x1
Ecm 8000 omni x2
Shure sm57x4
Mxl V67g x1
Mxl603 x2
Beyer m88 x1
Beyer 260nc x1
if you had a few more dollars spare you may add to that
Sp C1x1
Sp c3 x2
Sp T3 x1
Mic Pres
http://www.zzounds.com/a--2676837/love.music?p=p.SPIRW5633&a=adTLink,SPIRW5633_020607
soundcraft m series for the ghost mic pres
add to this
2XRNP MIC PRES WHEN THEY ARE RELEASED
AND ALSO 1 X STUDIO PROJECTS NEW MIC PRE VT1 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS NOW
Compressors
2x rnc
1x Behringer composer not the pro get the earlier composer model
1x autocom the early model
later adds to the compressors later on now this is if you find your making some headway would be
urei 1176
universal audio la2a
distressor
dbx 160a or 160 x
a few reliable di boxes countrymen type 85
soundcards if you so desired to go anywhere remotely near a computer would be
lynx audio 1 or 2
rme soundcards along with an rme multiface
Multifx
Lexicon pcm70
lexicon lxp15
roland srv 3030 d
Alesis quadraverb Q2
HD Recorder
Alesis hd24
2 track recorder
standalone cd/cdrw burner HHB830
Monitors
mackie hr824,s
and if you ever make it big some meyer hd1,s
NOW SOME OF THIS GEAR IS EXPENSIVE BUT YOU WOULD NOT NEED IT ALL TO GET STARTED.
Essp the high end compressors for now.
Tyler if i had the above set up id be very happy indeed im actually working of a list very much like this im buying the bits as i have the money one think for sure is most everyrthing on this list is good gear and will allow you to work and give you many years of trouble free service provided you look after it all ive not included things like good mic cable and sheilded audio cable etc but one would always be smart to spend well here as good connectors and good audio cable is most important in your sound chain
also running all leads balanced if possible the rncs messing this up along with one or two other misc items but its always good to strive for perfection
your enviroment and the way you work with your mic selection your gain structure and your overall choice of equipment depending upon the job your doing at the time will be just as important as the overall gear you buy so keep all this in balance with what you already know
ang hey a few good books on the subject never went astray either o well thats all i got to say other then good luck
) keep smiling
T
trebles
New member
oops forget the patch bays hehehe to make all those connections possible and easy as well so one dont go unplugging all that rack gear id say about 4 48 point bays should cover you into the forseeable future you will also need your snake to connect your hd recorder up as well buy the best quality one you can afford as well along with top quality patch cables and remember to mark all your patchbays and any other piece of equipment which may make your job easier
Michael Jones
New member
tyler657recpro said: