Noisy effects? 9v?

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Recently i bought a 9v daisy chain, and connected up all my effects with a 9v adapter i actually already had. Plugged into my amp, its very very loud, too loud, and when the amp gets above a certain volume there's like a loud repetitive blippy sort of noise. I've never had a problem with batteries (except as soon as they start to die the quality degrades) and i cant imagine a splitter cable is to blame, so i assume i need a better power supply? Do i need anything specific, a certain ma output or something?
 
I'm not an electronics expert but the first thing I would check is to see if the output is 9vAC or 9vDC.
 
Recently i bought a 9v daisy chain, and connected up all my effects with a 9v adapter i actually already had. Plugged into my amp, its very very loud, too loud, and when the amp gets above a certain volume there's like a loud repetitive blippy sort of noise. I've never had a problem with batteries (except as soon as they start to die the quality degrades) and i cant imagine a splitter cable is to blame, so i assume i need a better power supply? Do i need anything specific, a certain ma output or something?

i had exactly the same problem...somehow linking them all up to the same power and then connecting them all again with jacks just sends the earthing issues into overdrive.... if i was serious about recording i would just get some 9v batteries...if i was noodling then i could live with it.
 
.... if i was serious about recording i would just get some 9v batteries...

first rule of preproduction: get rid of all your wall warts/daisy chains/midget-bicycle power stations and replace everything with 9V batteries.

but I never use batteries in anything live... one goes and your fucked... best thing to do is to try to plug the chain into the same power strip as the amp.
 
first rule of preproduction: get rid of all your wall warts/daisy chains/midget-bicycle power stations and replace everything with 9V batteries.

but I never use batteries in anything live... one goes and your fucked... best thing to do is to try to plug the chain into the same power strip as the amp.

It depends on your power supply. Mine (a Voodoo Labs Pedal Power 2 Plus) is transformer isolated (each output has it's own tap on the transformer), and it is extremely well regulated, so it is pretty quiet. These are, by their nature, expensive (lots of stuff in there), but it's a lot cheaper than a constant supply of batteries. Plugging the daisy chain into the amp's power strip is unlikely to fix this one, because there are (depending on how many pedals he has) quite a lot of ground loops going on.

To the OP:

You've got a ground loop. The signal is finding multiple paths to ground, and it's taking a noisy one. Those daisy chain pedal power things are almost guarantied to do this, and I have never figured out why anyone would sell them.

There are a bunch of things you could do. First, you could go to batteries, which would work every time, but it gets expensive in the long run and is horrendous for the environment (batteries have REALLY nasty chemicals). Second, you could go through all of the patch cables connecting your pedals, and clip the ground on one end of each cable, which will work most of the time, but sometimes it will cause a worse noise and you will have to swap out a cable which is grounded normally. Oh, and those cables won't work at all if you use batteries or a better power supply. Third, you could put out the money for a better power supply. Each output needs to be transformer isolated, and individually rectified and regulated, so it will not be cheap. The one I've got (mentioned above) is one choice - I would assume their are others on the market, but I don't know.

If you are REALLY comfortable with a soldering iron and building power supplies (they aren't hard, but the details ARE critical), you could even make your isolated PS. Weber has an appropriate transformer, which is pretty cheap, but by the time you get all the parts and do all the work you will not save much, if any, money. I only have one pedal drawing power these days - I do get power the LED's for my amp's footswitches from it as well - but I got it back when I was using more pedals and I think the isolated PS was WELL worth the price.



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+1 on the Voodoo Labs power supply. The daisy chain supplies really don't work very well and often won't accommodate older pedals with "non-standard" power needs. If you use pedals much, I'd bite the bullet and get a decent power supply.
 
I see. Thanks guys, i had hoped there was a way around this that didn't involve spending £150+ on powering pedals, i'll never be able to afford to do that. I guess the only solution is to buy batteries for my tuner and noise gate and sell everything else.
 
I kinda thought I'd need a small delay to take out the "dryness" of my sound, tried a couple of pedalpowering thingies, both gave me hiss, kicked the damn things into the corner and haven't looked back. Less hassle to gig with.
 
I have noticed even if I am using one pedal with its own PS it would be noisy. The DC isnt pure DC like a battery, there is always some ripple. I have been using a Vox Tone Lab SE for 5 years and have never needed pedals since.
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I use a 1-Spot and I dont have any noise. I'm running 6 or 8 pedals on the daisy chain. My source power is clean and grounded properly. Even at church where I dont have my line conditioner, it is still quiet as a mouse.

The problem is not the daisy chain, unless you are using some after market radio shack adapter. If you get a 1-Spot, a $20 dollar fix, and still have the noise, then the problem is not in the daisy chain....... unless you are mixing pedals that have different center polarity, one pedal has a center + while the others are center - maybe? But then I would think that one pedal would not work at all. Or your crap adapter is unregulated. First rule of adapters is it must be completely regulated or the ripple in the DC will turn up as noise and hum, and it is loud......
 
I'm not an electronics expert but the first thing I would check is to see if the output is 9vAC or 9vDC.
If the supply were AC where DC was required, or vice versa, it wouldn't work at all. But the plug conventions are different, so that would be a hard mistake to make.
 
If the supply were AC where DC was required, or vice versa, it wouldn't work at all. But the plug conventions are different, so that would be a hard mistake to make.

Just a thought. Like I said, I'm no expert.
 
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