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im a singer and i have a couple mics and a cheap mixer to do recordings at home. i also love arranging and composing music so i thought to help have even further control i'd get a basic acoustic and electric guitar. im simply just looking for suggestions to a good basic or startup accoustic , electric , and possibly bass guitar for me to practice with....also would i need anything else to record them besides my mixer and preamp? i know for accoustic you should mic it..and for electric i think i can just plug it into my mixer and preamp? any suggestions would be greatly appreciated :).
 
You can't plug a guitar straight into a mixer. You need a DI or preamp first. I recommend you look at a POD or a V-Amp for guitar modeling. You can get bass or electric guitar versions, but Micing a good amp will sound a lot better if that's what you're wanting.

As for what kinds of guitars, go to a shop, play them and find some you like. DON'T BUY THEM IMMEDIATELY! Try some out at a different shop. Eventually you'll narrow it down to one you want. Then start searching for it used. I recommend you get one used cause if it doesn't pan out, you can likely sell it for not much of a loss...

Jacob
 
Do you know how to play guitar? If no - are you planning on learning? or is this for other people?
What kind of music and what styles are you looking at recording?
Can you list the gear you currently have?

We will be able to give you much better suggestions and advice once you have answered these questions to the best of you ability.

And to support the other response, plugging a guitar straight into a mixer sounds like ass. Mic'ing an amp for electric sounds best IMO, but alot of people like modeling (read POD, V-AMP, etc). It's your call.

Hope this helps,
Todd
 
well..it would be for me, i can play some guitar and bass. not great by any means...i dont want to be a guitar or a bass player either..im a singer. i just want to be able to come up with and record my ideas better....then maybe have others redo it. soo im just looking for a good basic affordable starter acoustic, electric, and possibly bass guitar that will get the job done, and that i can have at my disposal incase i need one. i have no idea where to start looking or what to look for, im kind of looking for like the cheap standard...or the sm57 of guitars..nothing too fancy..basic, simple, good, and affordable..but not too cheap ass either. and i would like to use them for any genre pretty much..so versatility is a main thing.. thats why i want to pick up both an electric and an acoustic.
 
jkokura said:
You can't plug a guitar straight into a mixer.

Of course you can; the high Z inputs of most mixers can be trimmed to accept the output of an electric guitar or acoustic guitar pickup. Whether it will give you the sound that you are looking for is another thing entirely.
 
IF I was in your shoes, I would probably get:
Squier electric strat (preferably one with a humbucker AND a single coil pickup)
Pod - Amp modulator - very versatile.
Washburn, Epiphone or Art & Lutherie accoustic (only after playing many and finding one I liked)
Fender or Carvin bass.
Behringer DI (direct input) for bass.

and last but not least - I would get a really nice keyboard. Guitar players can transcribe your stuff to guitar, as long as you have the idea down.

With all of this being said - everyone's different. This is what I would get for myself, if I were in your shoes.

Hope this helps,
Todd
 
Yo Riznich, welcome to the board! OK, basic guitar. First, electric guitar. These are less expensive, as a rule, than usable acoustics. The need for an amp equals that out. Electrics basically are solid body, hollow body, and semi-hollowbody. Most folks would recommend you start with a solid body, because there are more models available, and usable ones tend to be less expensive. There are 2 basic types of electric guitar pickups- single coil, and double coil, also known as humbuckers. Originally, single coils were the basic Fender sound, and humbuckers were the basic Gibson sound, the yin and yang of electric guitar. Because of fierce competition, both camps began to compromise with the other. Gibson developed their version of the single coil pickup, the P-90. It comes in the soapbar and dog-eared version. Fender began installing double coil pickups on the bridge of some versions, resulting in the "fat strat" or "hybrid" stratocaster, and even installed a pair of humbuckers on some guitars, such as the deluxe telecaster.
Later, the "coil splitter" was developed, allowing you to switch a pickup back and forth, but that didn't produce quite the double coil sound that Gibson fans were looking for. Of course, many after market companies began developing their own versions of the 2 basic pickups, especially ones designed to drop into the other guy's guitar.

What does all this mean? It means you need to know what kind of electric guitar sound you are looking for. Now- everything beynd that is opinion, and no matter what I say, someone will disagree, and it doesn't mean they are wrong. People will tell you that the humbucker produces a better distorted rock sound. On the other hand, Jimi Hendrix used a stratocaster with single coil pickups plugged into a bunch of Marshall stacks, and I wouldn't call that folk music, exactly. I think the suggestion of a guitar with one or two single coil pickups in the neck and middle position, and a humbucker on the bridge is a good one, for a starter guitar. It will give you a little bit of both worlds.

As a matter of personal taste, I disagree with the concept of a Squier strat, or *any* other guitar made in China. Note this, though. The cheaper a guitar is, the more of them you have to play to find one that is basically OK.
I suggest that you go to the biggest guitar store you can find with a friend who really knows guitars, and let him play *a lot* of cheap guitars before you settle on one. Rather than a Squier, I would look at Mexican Fender Strats, which are more expensive, with good reason, than the Chinese Squiers. I have played a couple of Yamaha Pacificas which wern't too bad, which is a fat strat clone for less money than the Mexi-strat. Just my opinion.

amps/modelers- For many years, studio standard amps were Marshall, Fender, and Vox. Marshall was used for hard rock, Fender for blues and country, and Vox for clean British invasion sound. Then many "boutique" amps arrived, Dumble, Soldano, etc. Mesa got added to the list of hard rock amps, and lots of cheap alternatives appeared, by Carvin, Kustom, Behringer, everybody.
Then Line6 took the forefront in an emerging technology- amp modeling. This uses digital technology to shape guitar tone into a model or copy of the sound of a particular amp, with adjustible parameters. This resulted in POD, the first practical, affordable amp modeler. Now multiple others exist, such as Behringer VAMP and Vox Tonelab.

Amp modeling is a box of worms, because some people really, really hate it, and others are using it, and making usable sound with it. I think one of the big problems with it is how people use it. They think it's a box for direct injection, so they plug it into a recorder, engage a cabinet model, and go. Part of the problem is, over 50 years or so, we have gotten used to the sound of an amp moving air *at a microphone*, and modelers don't do that. Myself, I use modeling frequently, but in almost all cases, I jack the modeler into a power amplifier, and the power amp into a cab. Then I mic the cab like any other amp. It isn't any cheaper or quieter than a guitar amp, but it gives me a wide variety of amp sounds.
Of course, if you are working late at night, you can just jack the modeler into the recorder and put on some headphones. It's quiet, and useful, but does not sound the same as a mic'd up cab. I recommend a cheap modeler to start, like Behringer VAMP II, and save money for the kickass amp that will give you whatever sound you want. If you're a rock guy, buy a big Marshall or Mesa with lots of tubes. If you like country, buy a Fender.

OK- acoustics. This is a bitch, because wooden guitars are made by humans, and wood is not a uniform substance. It is a lot harder to find a good cheap acoustic than a good cheap electric. See above statement about taking a friend to a store and playing a lot of guitars. The best cheap acoustics I've played were Yamaha, Epiphone, and Washburns (the last two, and maybe all three, were made by Samick in Korea). The brand isn't important. What's important is that that one guitar was made well by dumb luck. Play a shit load of acoustics, and don't buy any guitar you haven't played.

Bass- Everything I said about electrics applies to bass. The cheap brands are Squier, Ibanez, and Yamaha. The bass amps are dominated by Fender, SWR, and Gallien-Kruger. Of course, there are Bass amp modelers as well. The big difference is that really good bass sound often is achieved by going direct, unlike guitars, and an inexpensive direct box, such as a Sansamp, can often be used with good results. Many mic preamps have high-z instrument inputs that can work OK for bass. Also, some cheap Chinese bass guitars (such as Squier) don't totally suck.

Hope that was a useful overview. The key part is- take a friend who really knows his guitars, and the less you are going to spend, the more guitars you have to play.- Richie
 
yes that was ALOT of info, more than i could have asked for on here. thanks alot. and thanks to everyone else too. this thread has deffinitely served its purpose in helping me know what to look for with everything.
 
If I were in your shoes I would...

1) shop for and purchace an acoustic guitar first. I agree with the dumb luck theory of quality guitar building. I recently played Seagull acoustics by Godin guitars and liked'm and get one with the electronics so that you can play through amplification. I personally think the sound of an acoustic without the electronics are better but the added usefullness of built in electronics will benefit your needs. you will be up and playing an acoustic in 0.0 seconds and won't need any extra toys.

2) shop an buy an electric guitar. budget $400 and you can get a usefull Korean built strat or les paul copy. I liked the previous idea of a guitar with both single coil and humbucker pickups so that you can get a wider range of sounds from one guitar. a hollow body electric will get you a more Beatles era tone and a solid body guitar will get you a more rock sound. you will need a effect box like mentioned above which will add cost but will get you many different sounds-very flexible. I own a Yamaha DG-stomp. I would buy another if it were stolen.

3) Bass, I'm not sure you will do much song writing on bass. I would think about a keyboard instead. with a keyboard you can write and play bass lines and you can write and play higher register music as well. I think the flexibility of a keyboard is right for you. with headphones and a line out on the keyboard you will not need an amplifier.

Good luck
 
Recording your stuff.

instrument into effect box into amp into mic into board into recording device.
microphone into pre amp into board into recording device.
there are infinite variations of recording chains. it sounds like you need a recording device.

Computer vs. Analog. Do you want to invest in a computer recording set up? if so, go directly to the computer recording forum and do your homework.

if you want to use a tape recording device go directly to the analog recording forum and do your homework.

I know alot of people like this general set up for computer recording.
M-Audio Delta 1010LT sound card, install in desktop computer and allows for 10 inputs (mic an entire drum kit) lists for $300 new. Includes software for mixing and editing yer tunes. of course you need to meet minumum requirments for your computers performance. There are cheaper computer recording devices and also more expensive. Ebay is a good place to look for used devices. this is an endless path to take.
 
oh thanks but i already know most of that last part.i do have a keyboard, thats what i use to write most of my stuff right now and why a bass is last on my list but would just be fun to have. i love playing drums and have a natural talent for it, but truly just cant afford to get a drum set and mic it up right now so i'll settle for drum loops and clicks. i have adobe audition and ive been learning how to record for the past 6 months or so. i record vocals and stuff for my band as well as solo stuff and collabs, im deffinitely still a beginner with recording but yeh. i just have the most basic setup in the world right now...a small behringer board into the line in on my soundcard. perfect sound quality isnt nearly as important as the instruments and music itself to me. but my bands really nice board broke so im looking into a dmp3 preamp so i can use my board for our practices. i just needed some basic info for getting started with guitar a bit for laying down ideas and goofing around...like i said i have no plans on becoming a guitar player, thats not where my passion is. i had no idea where to start looking with guitars and the answers ive gotten are more than i expected, gave me ideas, and helped me alot..so thanks again to everyone.
 
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