'new' teac a2340R

[Dr ZEE]

oh! wait a minute, what am thinking here?!!!!
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Iuse tape returns...

I...see no "tape returns".
...did you mean to say "I use inserts' returns..."?

Look at the manual. you should be able to figure it out...

So, do you mean the manual explains what MCI2424 actually means when he posts something on homerecording.com b-boards?

 

[Dr ZEE]

Look at the block diagram, .... and you should be able to answer immediately which ones you would use.

Which one I should be able to use - that's a different matter.
I asked you which one YOU actually use. I did not ask why. I just asked which one.
you've said:

Iuse tape returns...

I am -
, that's all

 

[Muckelroy]

I looked at this thread because it was the most recently updated thread.

I was hoping to read something relevant to the subject of the thread, but instead, once again, I see 2 people duking it out in a battle of wits for no damn good reason.

Have I done this before? Yes, and I do regret it, because I now realize how stupid and pointless it is to make fun of anonymous people on forums.

On to the next thread....

 

[Dr ZEE]

I see 2 people duking it out in a battle of wits for no damn good reason.

Not always, but from time to time, It's kind of interesting to know what people see when they look at something.

...I now realize how stupid and pointless it is to make fun of anonymous people on forums.

Good for you.
Some day you also may realize that there is no direct connection between what you see and what something actually is, when you look at something.

/later

 

[MCI2424]

Which one I should be able to use - that's a different matter.
I asked you which one YOU actually use. I did not ask why. I just asked which one.
you've said:

I am -
, that's all

I am asking for you to provide a solution. You keep coming here telling everyone how to do things, now pony up please, or just end it now?

Its all up to you.

My studio runs just perfect, I don't need any solutions. Telling you would be totally pointless. Why not just tell all of us how to do it right?

Everyone will benefit from your solution.

The original poster just asked for a solution. and you could not provide one. All you could do is pick apart my posts and start in again.

You have wasted all this time and webspace with your nonsense so now just tell everyone here, including me, how would you go about hooking up a tape machine to this mixing desk correctly?

What is the big difference between a mic pre-amp and a line pre-amp?

Why would one benefit from bypassing the micpre-amp in a mixer and using an outboard pre-amp?

Why do balanced ins/outs only add certain problems?

When do you NEED balanced ins/outs?

 

[Dr ZEE]

MCI, if you can't give a straight answer to a simple question, then just say: "I can not answer that question."
If you don't want to give any answer, then just say: "I don't want to answer that question" , or just don't answer.
Here's the question:
"Why did you say that you use "tape returns" of the mixing desk that does not have any "tape returns"? Or what exactly did you mean by "tape returns"?
Or was it just a "slip of the tongue"?
No big deal. Things happen. Just answer the question.
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The original poster just asked for...

I know what "original posters" did. I read posts. I ACTUALLY DO.

/later

 

[MCI2424]

MCI, if you can't give a straight answer to a simple question, then just say: "I can not answer that question."
If you don't want to give any answer, then just say: "I don't want to answer that question" , or just don't answer.
Here's the question:
"Why did you say that you use "tape returns" of the mixing desk that does not have any "tape returns"? Or what exactly did you mean by "tape returns"?
Or was it just a "slip of the tongue"?
No big deal. Things happen. Just answer the question.
************

I know what "original posters" did. I read posts. I ACTUALLY DO.

/later

I use the mono line inserts from the tape machine.
No pre-amp, I get EQ and the summing amplifiers are good enough.

There, I have answered the question.

It took long enough as I answered it 10 different ways in too many posts, but that is it.

 

[Dr ZEE]

I use the mono line inserts from the tape machine.
No pre-amp, I get EQ and the summing amplifiers are good enough.

There, I have answered the question.

It took long enough as I answered it 10 different ways in too many posts, but that is it.

Why so many ways for a simple straight forward question?
But, anyway.
So I take it as by "mono line inserts" you mean channel insert's return jacks. Correct? Please confirm, just to avoid any potential confusions.
In case if "colorful language causes some problems", here's visual:

 

[MCI2424]

Why so many ways for a simple straight forward question?
But, anyway.
So I take it as by "mono line inserts" you mean channel insert's return jacks. Correct? Please confirm, just to avoid any potential confusions.
In case if "colorful language causes some problems", here's visual:

Yup.those are them.

Bypasses the internal pre-amp and goes to EQ and summing amps on the mix bus.

So, recording path goes directly to the tape machine for the simple reason that you only introduce the pre-amp and the recorders line amp. Since a line amp has low voltage gain, the "coloration" is held to a minimum. This is one reason why different tape machines *sound* different and people like the "coloration".

Mic pre-amps have a gain of *thousands* and any coloration added by them will be simply HUGE.

Most consoles line input is the mic pre-amp with a 1 to 1 gain (unity) and the mic pre-amp is the same amp with a gain pot.

Adding the consoles pre-amp together with the outboard pre-amp is adding 1 more stage. You know that the purer the path, the better the sound, so using the insert only adds the EQ (better, not best) and the summing amp (Mackies and Behringers have very weak summing busses BTW).

So, in record mode, the best path is outboard pre to deck directly because you have the best possible signal recorder *reguardless* of what you mix it on. In mixdown, you are pretty much stuck with what you have, so choose the shortest possible path you can because adding the onboard pre-amp is adding 1 more stage. If you use the line in for record/playback, you end up adding 2 more stages and what you didn't like about the sound (why buy a better pre-amp if you LIKED the sound of the stock ones?) will be done to the recording twice.

Maybe this makes sense, maybe not. Who knows?

 

[Dr ZEE]

Yup.those are them.

Bypasses the internal pre-amp and goes to EQ and summing amps on the mix bus.

So, recording path goes directly to the tape machine for the simple reason that you only introduce the pre-amp and the recorders line amp. Since a line amp has low voltage gain, the "coloration" is held to a minimum. This is one reason why different tape machines *sound* different and people like the "coloration".

Mic pre-amps have a gain of *thousands* and any coloration added by them will be simply HUGE.

Most consoles line input is the mic pre-amp with a 1 to 1 gain (unity) and the mic pre-amp is the same amp with a gain pot.

Adding the consoles pre-amp together with the outboard pre-amp is adding 1 more stage. You know that the purer the path, the better the sound, so using the insert only adds the EQ (better, not best) and the summing amp (Mackies and Behringers have very weak summing busses BTW).

So, in record mode, the best path is outboard pre to deck directly because you have the best possible signal recorder *reguardless* of what you mix it on. In mixdown, you are pretty much stuck with what you have, so choose the shortest possible path you can because adding the onboard pre-amp is adding 1 more stage. If you use the line in for record/playback, you end up adding 2 more stages and what you didn't like about the sound (why buy a better pre-amp if you LIKED the sound of the stock ones?) will be done to the recording twice.

Maybe this makes sense, maybe not. Who knows?

EXCELLENT!

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There are still:
... some "glitches" there for a "picky head", like "1 to 1 gain", which I suppose would mean "gain of 1" which comes from "X to X", what ever "X" value may be. But this kind of stuff is not 'critical', so can be ignored.
..and argueable lines like: "the purer the path, the better the sound", which I can't agree with as a general rule, because to me art of recording in general is all about messing up the path.
As for mic amp vs line amp. Physically the same amplifier (or say, - circuit) can be "configured" (set up) as a line amplifier or as a mic amplifier by altering some components or their values or both.
Bypassing amps where ever you can spot one and get away with it may or may not make sense (and I mean practical sense first). And it is so regardless of how it is/has been done here or there by Mr. X or Mrs. Y.
******
And an amplifier is a mic amplifier is not because of it is called (or labled) "mic amplifier", but because of it is an amplifier that is capable of providing appropriate interconnection and amplifying the microphone output signal to the line level.
As for "coloration". Coloration is not that an amplifier "adds to the signal", but rather is what an amplifier "adds to the signal" at specific setting. Setting of an amplifier can be fixed or can be selectable or adjustable.

/later

 

[MCI2424]

EXCELLENT!

*********
There are still:
... some "glitches" there for a "picky head", like "1 to 1 gain", which I suppose would mean "gain of 1" which comes from "X to X", what ever "X" value may be. But this kind of stuff is not 'critical', so can be ignored.
..and argueable lines like: "the purer the path, the better the sound", which I can't agree with as a general rule, because to me art of recording in general is all about messing up the path.
As for mic amp vs line amp. Physically the same amplifier (or say, - circuit) can be "configured" (set up) as a line amplifier or as a mic amplifier by altering some components or their values or both.
Bypassing amps where ever you can spot one and get away with it may or may not make sense (and I mean practical sense first). And it is so regardless of how it is/has been done here or there by Mr. X or Mrs. Y.
******
And an amplifier is a mic amplifier is not because of it is called (or labled) "mic amplifier", but because of it is an amplifier that is capable of providing appropriate interconnection and amplifying the microphone output signal to the line level.
As for "coloration". Coloration is not that an amplifier "adds to the signal", but rather is what an amplifier "adds to the signal" at specific setting. Setting of an amplifier can be fixed or can be selectable or adjustable.

/later

You are totally right, I guess I am wrong. You win. You can tell us how to do it please.

We are waiting.
I wil rewire my studio as you see fit.

Cool,
I am waiting for your advice.

Thanks.
I love that you could help me. I need it.

 

[MCI2424]

You are totally right, I guess I am wrong. You win. You can tell us how to do it please.

We are waiting.
I wil rewire my studio as you see fit.

Cool,
I am waiting for your advice.

Thanks.
I love that you could help me. I need it.

Oh, BTW You have no understaning of what makes a mic pre-amp different from a liine pre-amp.

Please elaborate here for the whole forum.

Tell us what is the difference?

A simple question.

Just tell us as we are realy trying to understand.



You must actually answer for people to get your explanation.

Just answer please.

Thankyou.

 

[MCI2424]

Oh, BTW You have no understaning of what makes a mic pre-amp different from a liine pre-amp.

Please elaborate here for the whole forum.

Tell us what is the difference?

A simple question.

Just tell us as we are realy trying to understand.



You must actually answer for people to get your explanation.

Just answer please.

Thankyou.

I see you are online. Why don't you answer?
Please tell us how you would connect this recording chain?


Just tell us?

Waitiing.

 

[MCI2424]

You must have a short memory. Pleae tell us how you would connect a external pre-amp to the setup of the original poster?


We are waiting.

 

[MCI2424]

Oh, I am talking about the problem the original poster had

How can he fix this?
We are looking for your actual advice here.

Thanks in advance

MCI2424

 

[MCI2424]

Another thing, please tell how the original poster can use an external pre-amp in his setup. Your input is greatly appreciated!

Thanks ZSEE

 

[MCI2424]

ZEE, Can you elaborate on how the original poster can bypass the stock pre-amps and use an external pre-amp in his setup?

Please tell us as we are dying to know!

Thanks.

 

[MCI2424]

In closing. you are a complete idiot. You offer nothing and have answered nothing.

Go fishing as you have nothing to gain here.

 

[MCI2424]

You have to grab the Krabby patty












It is heaven!

 

[MCI2424]

Please tell us how the mic pre-amp works?

Just tell us.

We are waiting...............

You have to tell us how it works.

Everyone is waiting for your technical explanation.

I need your input to re-cable my studio

Thanks.
MCI 2424