New Song - The Oddest Sea

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good work rob...oh one thing, when you do a remix its best to stick an extra link in the first post in case new listeners critique the wrong track

I don't think he is able anymore, the thread is 3 weeks old. But I took the liberty of doing so for him.

For the mix, I only listened to the 2 version....

I think the vocals have too much reverb and makes it difficult to understand. I get what you're trying to do and I can envision a final product. I like a song that swims in reverb, but it has to be done judiciously to get the effect right without smothering. Especially with so many elements as this song has. I know you said you worked on the bass or low end, but I'm afraid it isn't there yet. I'm curious what your mixing environment is like.

Nonetheless, I like the song and I think the performance is very good. Possible to post the lyrics??

peace,
 
This has an "I must find out what they're saying" intro. A good hook in & of itself.
The Coral would want this one!
What sample is the synth - it almost sounds Mellotron?
One of the background noodling things sounds a little like a Kazoo sometimes but effectively so.
I lke the change where the keyboard sounds "Tubullar Bells" ish.
VERY, VERY good.
 
This is way cool. I only listened to V2, but I very much enjoyed the whole deal. Even for something trending towards lo-fi, I could have withstood a more dynamic, fuller sound, but I really do like what you've done here. Very original and dense in a good way. I particularly liked what sounded like a mellotron as well as the vocal performance. Yes, it is swimming in FX, but I thought it worked that way. Nice.
 
There isn't anything I can add that already hasn't been said. Just wanted to let you know I checked out the tune and really dig the atmosphere.
 
Hey, thanks very much all of you for taking the time to listen and to comment - the responses are massively heartening. I'm pleased with the updated version and wouldn't have got it to where it is without the feedback from youse folks.

I know there are still a few tweaks that could be made. Chili, you mention that the low end still isn't there yet - do you mean that there's not enough or that it's a little muddy? From what I can hear on my speakers, I'm guessing it's the latter? I think you're right that there's still room for refinement there. In terms of my mixing environment, I'm mixing it all on Ableton and listening on an EMU0404 soundcard hooked up to a stereo amp and speakers. They aren't really studio grade speakers at the moment, so I don't know whether they're making it harder to mix evenly or not, but they're not exactly crappy laptop ones either.

kcearl, I think I know where the couple of pitchy moments are that you're referring to but I don't think they're too detracting either. I've started having some vocal tuition since recording the vocals and can already see some improvements in that department, so maybe I'll re-visit them one day. As for mastering, I'd love to get that done one day though I've read on here that I can achieve the same outcome by running it through one of the presets on Ozone or T Racks and save myself a few quid, so maybe I'll just do that instead ;)

The band comparisons are interesting too - I'm originally from half way between Manchester and Liverpool, and always liked the feeling of having a sense of place in your music so it's cool to see a manc and a scouse band namechecked.

rayc/heatmiser - you're both absolutely correct, it is a mellotron on the chorus/first instrumental part (though sadly not a real one).

There was also a request for me to post the lyrics, so here goes:

The tram turns and snakes
Through the city and out to the lanes
Hiding the fear and the shame
Of a word so misplaced
That it drags on behind like a tail
and devils hide in smiles along the rail

Then the man turned and said
You've been sailing a course on the oddest sea
and strange fishes swarm round you there
it's a dangerous affair
where the waters run deep and the
summer free
beyond the great beyond and laid out bare

So I burned all my books at the lake
And watched the embers glowing and escape
As day follows night, follows day, follows night, follows day
Hounds follow the scent to where we lay

At a sign my father he came
Spies are in the woodwork where they
Sank into the room
And faded into night
Slept-in clothes as word came for us
Powering through the morning darkness
Finches call
And cold winds softly sway
Motion wakes the antique porchlight
From my backyard door I took flight
Oh, I cried 'I can't see black from white'

Thanks again all :D
 
T-Racks preset: Maximise Loudness, is the own you'll be wanting :)
 
V2. I've not read any comments; goin' at this with a gut response. I really liked the intro. I think it's real difficult to get the right mix on sampled ambiance and the actual song. Well done. :D Apologies, I'm not real qualified to comment on this genre (I'm not sure what 'this' is, because I'm a 3-chord, dumb-dumb, rocker) It had a cool psychedelic vibe. The vocals fit well, but are very affected. I guess they are supposed to be like that. I guess my only suggestion would be that I think the drum (or at least the kick) should be louder. but, this could be just my ignorance trying to turn this into a rock song. :D;):cool:
 
I know there are still a few tweaks that could be made. Chili, you mention that the low end still isn't there yet - do you mean that there's not enough or that it's a little muddy?

heya, I mean the low end is almost nonexistent. I really don't hear it at all. Does anyone else??

When I asked about your mixing environment, I meant the room you're in, not the software. The monitors, treatment, the room, etc. I'm thinking the lack of low end is because it is over-exaggerated by your room's poor response and you compensate by turning it down. How do commercial CD's sound on the speakers that you mix on? Listen to music in a similar genre and compare with yours.

Thanks for teh lyrics. You've got some great lines in there... watched the embers glowing and escape, can't see black from white.
 
Hey, thanks very much maximusbs, I'm glad you liked - if you've got ears, you're qualified to comment. ;) Just to give you an indication, this is an example of the kind of stuff I regularly listen to though: two weeks

I think you're right on the kick - it was picked up on one of the earlier comments to v1, so I did beef it up a little for v2. It didn't sit well when I turned it up any more than it currently is though, so I think I need to source myself a better quality kick sample.

Chili, thanks for replying again - I do wrestle with the soundfiles to get the EQ balanced out. There's no treatment in the room I record in at the moment - the small boxroom in our house around 10x7 foot, carpeted floor and the monitors are speakers from an old stereo. The sound when I listen to commercial recording doesn't seem too unbalanced, but the dynamics don't sparkle. However, when I listen to the same Grizzly Bear song linked in this post in my lounge with nice wharfedale speakers and wooden floors on vinyl, they certainly do

Where are the best places to start in terms of improving the room? Feel free to just tell me to look for myself in the studio building part of the forum if it's been covered extensively there.

Glad you liked the lyrics too - they're always that part that feel the most difficult to air publicly, so good to hear some positive feedback. Cheers :D
 
Where are the best places to start in terms of improving the room? Feel free to just tell me to look for myself in the studio building part of the forum if it's been covered extensively there.

Glad you liked the lyrics too - they're always that part that feel the most difficult to air publicly, so good to hear some positive feedback. Cheers :D

Ha! Must be reading my mind. :) There are some good people in the Studio Build forum who can steer you in the right direction. Acoustically treating your room doesn't have to be expensive, but it is the most bang for the buck to achieving a good mix. If your room is dual purpose, like a living room and studio, you can have the treatment blend in so it doesn't stand out or look ugly.

Yeah, I think lyrics are the hardest part of writing songs.
 
Excellent, thanks very much Chili - I'll go investigate. It's not got too much of a dual purpose, but I'll have to get planning permission (ie. consent from my missus) first.

To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, I now have a few less 'unknown unknowns' and a few more 'known unknowns'

Cheers
 
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