Need some help....2 1 minute clips.

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Hey guys.

I'd like your opinion on the bass drum in these clips.

They're from the same take, but 2 different mics at 2 different places.

I have the drums alone for a few seconds, and then with the instruments for a few seconds, so you can get a sense of how it sounds with the mix.

Which one sounds better to you?

Thanx
 

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clip 1 for me...no expert of course it just seems to have more meat, the second one sounds a little lighter when the instruments come in
 
Great. Thanx K. I'll wait for a few more responses before I give details on the difference between the 2.

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Clip two seems to punch more, but the 'gate' thing is more pronounced and sounds a bit unnatural to me when alone. Sounds good during the mix.
 
jimmys69 said:
Clip two seems to punch more, but the 'gate' thing is more pronounced and sounds a bit unnatural to me when alone. Sounds good during the mix.
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Thanx Jimmy. Gate? Never use 'em. But if you hear what sounds like gating, you might be on to something. Thanx man. :cool:
 
I'll give it a listen when I get home tonight so I can hear it in the studio.
 
It kinda sounds like one of those loose head mufflers pillow thingys. Or some kind of unnatural decay. Dave would know.
 
They're very similar to me, especially with all the rest of the instruments, but I tend to prefer #1. #2 just has a little too much beater tap for my taste I guess, and it seems to sustain a little less and therefore seem slightly smaller to me.
 
For this mix I prefer Clip 2. It is a little more "woofy" which I think works better with this type of mix. Clip 1 is less woofy and a little more sterile. It would be better suited to a techno mix. Just my opinions.
 
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I appreciate everyone taking the time. Very cool.

I find them pretty similar, too, but not exactly the same. And I find that if I listen to one long enough, it sounds normal to me and the other one sounds weird. Then, I listen to the other for a while and it sounds normal, and then I go back and the first one sounds weird. So, it's hard to decide. So, I really appreciate the opinions of all you guys listening with fresh ears. :cool:
 
For what it's worth I like the first one here. Of course I'm no drummer so, whatever.
 
Thanx a lot guys. Doesn't matter if you're a drummer or not. This is about what sounds good to anyone listening to my songs. In fact, I couldn't care less what most drummers think, except for Greg. And for some stupid ass reason, he's banned. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't come back. And if that's the case, we lost the best set of ears in this place, which sucks big time.

So anyway, I didn't want to say anything because I didn't want anyone to be influenced by anything other than what they heard. But, I lied about it being 2 different mics.

Clip #1 is my bass drum miced with a D-112, un-eq'd and un-compressed.

Clip #2 is a Drum-a-gog bass drum replacement.

A couple of you noticed something weird about #2, but couldn't put your finger on it. Good ears.

I'm going to go with #1 for most of the same reasons a few of you gave. It's meatier, and that's with no EQ or compression. I'm sure once I EQ and compress it, it will sound much better.

Thanx a lot guys!!!

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Yep - track 1 is more balanced between kick and snare. Track 2 is a bit thin on the kick side.
 
jimmys69 said:
Sneaky! :)

Then throw the Devil on it!!!
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Hehe...wasn't trying to be sneaky. Just wanted un-biased opinions. I didn't think of the Devil. I'll throw it on there and see what happens. :cool:
ido1957 said:
Yep - track 1 is more balanced between kick and snare. Track 2 is a bit thin on the kick side.
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I agree. It's a nice kik sound solo'd, that's why I tried it. But it is thin once you hear it with the whole kit.
 
Ok. I just listened and haven't read any responses. I like clip 1. The kick sounds fatter. Other than that the two clips sounded pretty simular.
 
Track Rat said:
Ok. I just listened and haven't read any responses. I like clip 1. The kick sounds fatter. Other than that the two clips sounded pretty simular.
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Great, thanx Track. I'm with you on that one.

I can understand how some people would prefer #2, though. It's much tighter and snappier. I just find it sounds less cohesive with the rest of the kit. :cool:
 
Rami my friend, I really like this thread as it more or less validates my core feelings on recording. Real instruments, real mics, real players trumps short cuts.
 
I agree. Though I would present that what you call here 'shortcuts', can also be used to enhance a 'real' players performance. Using tools, or a sampled drum in this case, to effectively make a performance better, is no less real than using an EQ. I would never condone replacing a performance with a machine, ever! But I would not count out using a machine to present a players performance to it's deserved potential.

There is absolutely no way to create emotion out of crap. Though there is tons of 'crap' that will help to deliver a 'true' talents' performance sound quality.

Man, I just 'apostrophised' the hell out of that post huh?

Dave's monkey is better versed I am sure.
 
Well, short cut is probably the wrong word. In my humble opinion, I just like the idea getting the best sound you can at the source with mic choice and placement. I've never been happy with my results whenever I've tried replacing things.
 
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