Need help between the studio monitprs ot headphobes for mixing

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I've read a llittle about this but was a lil confused with stuff like
1) can u mix on headphones and expect the mix to sound good on speakers
2 how do u know if your room needs acoustic treatment
 
I've read a llittle about this but was a lil confused with stuff like
1) can u mix on headphones and expect the mix to sound good on speakers
With years and years and years of practice, maybe. Maybe. For the most part, not really (otherwise, everyone would use headphones).
2 how do u know if your room needs acoustic treatment
If it is a room.
 
...1) can u mix on headphones and expect the mix to sound good on speakers...

The debate about using headphones for mixing will probably go on forever. I feel that the answer to that will always be subjective based on content, skill level, and expected results. Many headphones do tend to give us a false sense of separation, depth, level of effects, and sometimes even volume. Our perception of physical positioning is reduced significantly due to the headphone's lack of movement in relation to our ears. The space between the drivers and our ears (the room) cannot very well be treated for acoustic anomalies or inconsistencies in driver response. (...and too many headphones do have horrible driver response.)

Content:
It may be quite easy to get a decent mix using headphones if the number of tracks is small and they are good quality tracks to begin with. Some raw tracks tend to "mix themselves" with little effort compared to others. Many people have gotten good mixes using headphones, but we don't know if it was by chance or not.

Skill Level:
Can a total newbie figure out how to at least set two instruments at similar volumes using phones? Of course! Can a total newbie figure out how to mix an entire band? Well, yes but, it probably won't sound any better than if he had used proper monitors. His lack of skill may be more of a problem than the fact that he is using phones. EQing doesn't become any easier using headphones either. You've still got to develop good skills and technique no matter what you mix on.

Expected Results:
Just as with monitors, experts expect better results than rookies. If you don't know what to listen for in a mix, you may be satisfied with anything. If your goals are to simply set levels in the mix and call it done, then the cans may not be a problem. If you only want to tweak the "esses" in common speech, they may be a good tool to use. If your goals, however, are to make a world-class platinum-selling album of Nobuyuki Tsujii playing with an orchestra in Carnegie Hall, you may want to rely on more than just phones alone.

Again, results can be as subjective and circumstantial as are our personal tastes in visual art and cooking. There is little way to measure and compare the level of success that one might have using headphones. As a general rule, we warn against it mainly for the reasons that I've mentioned in my first paragraph. Also, the sound quality of headphones varies as much as it does with speakers. If you decide to use them, read reviews, listen before you buy, and choose carefully.
 
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I have some harsh experience about this. I usually mix with headphones. But some of the best advice I have read is to mix with Auratone monitors, which are not made any more but you can find equivalents. The value of those speakers is that they are not too bassy or to treble. Really, middle of the road. And then, add insult to injury, output to those in mono. If things sound "right" in mono on single cone speakers, they will sound good just about anywhere.

But how many people listen to music on headphones that are as good as mine, which are not expensive but have a good response across the spectrum? Not many.

My house stereo, that I pieced together about twenty years ago, is separate components. Pioneer brand tuner, dual cassette tape deck, cd player with cartridge that holds 6 cds (based on their mobile design that would mount in the trunk of a car,) Audio Technica turntable. And the piece d'resitance, KLH liquid-cooled speakers rated at 140 watts (rms). The tuner puts out 70, so I will never overdrive the speakers. Why the turntable? I still have a Billie Holiday album on the original ceramic pressing. Everything by Kansas on original vinyl.

What do people listen on today? Desk top speakers of varying quality with their computer. And that is at the mercy, also, of the soundcard that is in the computer.

Or they are listening on an ipod or even a smartphone.

I recorded myself doing a cover of "Jesus Just Left Chicago" by ZZ Top. In the DAW, I had sweetened the eq, which sounded okay. Sync'd it to my ipod and it sounded like screechy crap, totally ruining the effect I thought I was going for. So, it helps to listen on different players and especially, different speakers.

That's probably the biggest drawback of mixing with headphones is that you are not getting the room effect of the mix. Part of the effect of my home stereo is how the KLH speakers interact with the room and even the flooring of the house. Since it can be time-consuming to keep dropping in different formats, a lot of what I have read suggest monitoring the mix on something like auratone precisely because they are middle of the road. However, you sometimes have to consider the format of whatever service. For example, I think youtube squashes to about a 5 or 7 dB range of dynamics. So, you end up trying to match that if you want it sound right in their format.
 
Can you use headphones to mix - yes, will it sound good on ANY speaker system - most likely NO until you get really familiar with how the sound translates. NOt only the tonal balance, but the stereo separation makes a huge difference.

As already said, every room needs acoustic treatment. There's no such thing as too many bass traps for the average (non-purpose-built) studio room.
 
OK thanks guys and then to the first reply obviously?, but one last question
When people say their mix don't sound right like its to mushy or somethings not right, does that mean they have more experienced ears or can a newbie like me also tell the right and wrong,obviously I'll get better with time
 
OK thanks guys and then to the first reply obviously?, but one last question
When people say their mix don't sound right like its to mushy or somethings not right, does that mean they have more experienced ears or can a newbie like me also tell the right and wrong,obviously I'll get better with time

Unless you fix your room accoustics, none of the mixing science would make much sense.

And why not use both headphones and speakers? If it sounds good on both, then it is even better
 
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