Myths

[SouthSIDE Glen]

Four myths, no waiting

Myth #327:
That truth is a matter of personal opinion and that all opinions are equal.

Myth #328:
That the purpose of boards like this is to be a big social club for the exericse of myth #327.

Myth #329:
That the right to free speech carries with it no burdens of responsibility for the responsible exericse of that right.

Myth #330:
That I don't expect to receive a lot of flack for this post from folks who believe in myths #327, 328 and 329.

G.

 

[mshilarious]

Honestly, I don't know a single person that likes to sit back with friends and a read through sheet music while enjoying alcohol.

I like to read the score to Well-Tempered Clavier while listening and enjoying a glass of wine, but I don't have any friends

 

[mshilarious]

Keep in mind the scene near the end of "Amadeus" where Mozart is dictating "Requiem" to Salieri. The fact that that scene is fiction is not relevant here. What is relevant is that "Requiem" would not even exist today if Mozart was not a master of music theory or did not know how to transcribe the composition in his head to paper.

Or Beethoven's Ninth. He was deaf when he wrote it.

 

[mshilarious]

Cause I bet Marvin kept on telling himself, "just wait until I'm done writing these chords, the girls don't give a shit now....but they will....oh they will."

Marvin was a famous procrastinator. What's Going On was cut in something like six weeks after Berry Gordy set the deadline, thinking Marvin couldn't make it because Gordy didn't want to release the record.

So I'm thinking he would have let the chords wait

 

[Cyrokk]

All of these things are things that you can pick up by doing it long enough, admittedly, and a lot of it really is doing what "sounds right", but a little bit of basic music theory goes a long way towards skipping an awful lot of "sounds wrong" along the way.

Yes and no. Just because something isn't musically theoretically sound doesn't mean it won't work.

Another Zep example: in "Achilles Last Stand", John Paul Jones told Jimmy Page that the ascending verse bridges would not work because the harmonic scale it drew from was theoretically inconsistent. Jimmy disagreed and when the pieces were put together, John Paul had to concede. Had Jimmy agreed to go the theory route instead of the "sounds wrong" route, "Achilles" may have been less the masterpiece that it is (though we'll never know for sure).

Ever track a guitar part, play the wrong note on accident and realize that despite its dissonance or its awkwardness, brings an element of beauty to the song?

 

[mrT]

Since I'm pretty sure I started this whole theory no theory thing I'd also like to put it to bed... It's getting damn boring and repeatative. YES theory is good to know. no bedate there. Will theory make someone inherently better at writing GOOD music, no. That's called talent and there's only one way to get it.

Now the point of me exposing that myth was to say that nobody NEEDS music theory to be good at this. The way some of you talk you'd think you need a BS in theory to write a rock song. I just want to make it very clear for all of the kids out there that if you don't know theory and some asshole acts like you need it or he's better than you because he(or she) does know it... Tell them to go fuck themselves. But know that it will most likely help you with solving musical problems FASTER, not better.

And to say that because you use theory even when you don't know it is stupid. That's like saying we're all physics proffessors because we use all of this "audio" equiptment which is just specialty purpose physics equiptment. Or that just because you mix bleach and amonia that you're a chemist (that's a bad idea just so you know) I'm strictly talking about the intentional application of music theory to songwriting.

So there, if that doesn't satisfy everyone then EAT it. I'm sick of reading in circles.

Myth: Rap music is easy to make and record...


It's no harder or easier than any other genre of music.

*stands in the red corner and waits for the announcer to say come out fighting*

BTW. I record mostly rap and some rock. I have to dissagree. Rap is pretty easy compared to rock to record. Come on do you really think that it's easier to mix maybe 20+ tracks than it is for 4? But you did say make. And looking at today's down South bull shit I say that shit is way too easy to make... gee what if we use a keyboard an 808 and some hand clap snares! Good rap however is little different. listen to Ghostface's new album... it's good shit.

WU-TANG Bitches...

 

[chizzy]

Rap is much harder than rock.........if you're white like me.

I do some side work in hip hop for a buddy of mine, and sometimes I'll come up with something I think is cool, and he'll just look at me sideways and say, "I gotta find a brotha with a computer!"

 

[NL5]

Aint music just supposed to be fun and entertaining????

Amen brother! I think all y'all ought to let this one go.

The wheels on the bus go round and round....round and round......round and round..........

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

My whole point about writing music was a response to Edans point that songwriters make the big money.

I responded by pointing out that a songwriter cannot make a dime off of a song that has not been transcribed, legally vetted and published, all of which requires a technical description of the song in the language of music theory.

It has nothing to do with writing down a song as the use of reading entertainment for others, even if some of those here do enjoy it with their Chateau Neuf .

G.

P.S. The more black dots your sheet music has on it, the more likely you'll get laid. Even if the notation is absolute nonsense, just show them a whole bunch of black dots crammed together. OTOH, a transcription of the simple melody to "Camptown Races" will not even get you on base .

 

[Farview]

Someone should start a thread about audio myths. That would be much more interesting than this.

 

[XLR]

The more black dots your sheet music has on it, the more likely you'll get laid.

I can verify this, but it's not the note-head "dots", it's actually the 16th and 32nd note beams that give the notation its power.

I can also verify that rap is more difficult to record than other genres. I haven't gotten even ONE decent rap track done.

Tim

 

[mrT]

I can verify this, but it's not the note-head "dots", it's actually the 16th and 32nd note beams that give the notation its power.

I can also verify that rap is more difficult to record than other genres. I haven't gotten even ONE decent rap track done.

Tim

I think the first part might have something to do with the second part.

Music Geeks...

 

[EDAN]

My whole point about writing music was a response to Edans point that songwriters make the big money.

I responded by pointing out that a songwriter cannot make a dime off of a song that has not been transcribed, legally vetted and published, all of which requires a technical description of the song in the language of music theory.

Now you're simply out of your element. A song does not have to be transcribed (legally vetted? lol) at all to make money, a song doesn't have to be transcribed to be registered with the copyright office, in fact most aren't. Ninety percent of the money from a hit song is from radio airplay, the rest are from mechanicals of which sheet music is in extremely small part, with records sold being the major sum. You seem to know nothing about publishing or copyright. A publisher is the person who wrote the song unless or until that person signs away part or all of the publishing to someone else. After that it's all business, checks and balances and theory plays no part in any of it. In the old days sheet music was the primary source of income for a publisher, today it's not even a drop in the bucket. Now, I can go indepth and explain exactly how a songwriter gets paid, the legal process, the amount of money a hit song is likely to earn etc., etc., etc., if you are interested in learning.

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

I'm through doing a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

OK, from now on, Edan, any song that you write that get's played on anything beyond your iPod, I'm laying claim to.

Myth #331. This thread is still of any use to anybody.

G.

 

[cpl_crud]

I'm going to prescribe the same thing to this thread that I do to mixes taht just aren't happening.

Stop reading this thread, go out and have a cup of tea, come back to it in the morning.

It's stupid, long winded threads that make people look and feel like idiots, and leave forums.

 

[Cyrokk]

myth: every track should sound good on its own without the context of the entire mix

 

[EDAN]

I'm through doing a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

OK, from now on, Edan, any song that you write that get's played on anything beyond your iPod, I'm laying claim to.

Myth #331. This thread is still of any use to anybody.

G.

You resort to insults because I schooled your ass, nice. Again, if you'd like to learn more about publishing and the like I'd be happy to teach you.

 

[EDAN]

Since I'm pretty sure I started this whole theory no theory thing I'd also like to put it to bed... It's getting damn boring and repeatative. YES theory is good to know. no bedate there. Will theory make someone inherently better at writing GOOD music, no. That's called talent and there's only one way to get it.

Now the point of me exposing that myth was to say that nobody NEEDS music theory to be good at this. The way some of you talk you'd think you need a BS in theory to write a rock song. I just want to make it very clear for all of the kids out there that if you don't know theory and some asshole acts like you need it or he's better than you because he(or she) does know it... Tell them to go fuck themselves. But know that it will most likely help you with solving musical problems FASTER, not better.

And to say that because you use theory even when you don't know it is stupid. That's like saying we're all physics proffessors because we use all of this "audio" equiptment which is just specialty purpose physics equiptment. Or that just because you mix bleach and amonia that you're a chemist (that's a bad idea just so you know) I'm strictly talking about the intentional application of music theory to songwriting.

So there, if that doesn't satisfy everyone then EAT it. I'm sick of reading in circles.

Great post, at least some people get "it"

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

You resort to insults because I schooled your ass, nice. Again, if you'd like to learn more about publishing and the like I'd be happy to teach you.

Allright, show me sergeant. Let's say you do get one of your songs played on a major market radio station. Describe to me the mechanism by which you get paid your royalty.

G.

 

[Farview]

You resort to insults because I schooled your ass, nice. Again, if you'd like to learn more about publishing and the like I'd be happy to teach you.

For someone who spent much of their posts in this thread lashing out against what they thought they read instead of what was actually said, you certainly are a smug little son of a bitch, aren't you?