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Chinese / Russian swaps

Crazydoc -

too bad I don't have a dig cam. I've been doing similar swaps and mods...

1.) I put an Oktava MK-219 capsule in a lollipop head grille sitting on top of an MXL V63 Fet amp.

2.) Put the MXL V63 capsule / headgrille on top of an Oktava MK-012 head amp via the -10dB pad converted to 0 dB attenuation - ( just used as a electro-mechanical connection. Looks sort of like a Geffel UM70. I've also done a version of this with the MXL V63 capsule / headgrille driving Dave Royers 5840 cathode follower circuit installed in another MK-012 body.

re: Oktava LDC black plastic HF boost discs - I posted quite a bit of info about these on rec.audio.pro (do a search on my name and Oktava) The discs boost HF by 4dB at 10kHz but they smear the transient response. I prefer the lower HF but better time alignment when the discs are removed.

re: Piotr - you might want to cut out the grilles of the MK-219 body you're using. these mess up the clarity of the HF due to reflections and refractions.

My headgrille experiments have taken this path to greater claritiy - first I cut off the MK219 grille fins, then I pulled out the fine wire mesh of all my mics that use a double layer of wire mesh and just left the larger gauge wire mesh intact, next I removed the head grille of the MK319 (which also exhibits a ringing resonance when tapped) and replaced it with an ELA-M 251 style, single layer mesh. Much better transient response than the stock MK319 head grille.

My most recent experiments have been turning MK319's into lollipop bottle style mics. I seem to prefer the open sound of minimal reflective and refractive surfaces around the capsule.

oh...I've also been experimenting with conical-shaped foam inserts that cover the flat base capsule mounting area and rise to an apex just below the bottom of the capsule. Again, seems to minimize HF annomolies due to reflections in the capsule head.
 
<No - that's a plastic plug that has 8 holes drilled in it.>

Yeah, that's what I thought judging the depth of the capsule--it is one diaphragm one, and this plastic jobbie forms acoustical labirynth for backwaves. I know I wanted to say something, but I didn't find words, yet. I think the main difference between 603 and 990 sound is not in the grill construction, but the way the backwaves reach the rear of the capsule. In 603 the back chamber is tuned to higher frequencies, so the mic sounds brighter. In 990 there is actually no back chamber, and the brass ring forms kind of baffle, which most likely augments the low freq. response even further. Take the ring off and tell what do you hear.
 
I've used both mics - they work. :) Won't have time to do any comparisons for awhile.

Thanks for the note MichaelJ - I'll look your posts up when I get a chance.

And while I'm posting pics, here's a screw in the 219 before I ever touched it. Looks like Olga was having a bad day on the assembly line. :D
 

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<then I pulled out the fine wire mesh of all my mics that use a double layer of wire mesh and just left the larger gauge wire mesh intact...>

Michael,

Yes, I also always remove the thinner mesh, and silk thing as well. It improves clarity, and reduces standing waves. However, the pop screen is a must, and no outdoor use (who cares?) Have a look at my coming projects--old astatic lolipop mic is gonna adopt a tube and K87 (above on the pic). Two strips of my new tube pre, I just stuffed tonight. All these on wire mesh, I use for grills:
 

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Re: Chinese / Russian swaps

MichaelJoly said:
...I posted quite a bit of info about these on rec.audio.pro (do a search on my name and Oktava)
Michael,
Welcome to HR! I've seen your post over at r.a.p. and seems like I've seen you somewhere else - Tech Talk maybe?
Anyway, good to have you here.
BTW, did you make the ELA-M 251 style, single layer mesh grille?
 
<Details, details!
Let me know how it sounds>

Flatpicker! :(

Don't be so impatient!
Let me go to sleep first, then tomorrow, if I have time I will finish PSU and turn it on. Yeah, it is based on Kevin's phono pre without EQ stuff. For now I am gonna fit it into Burgerjack Ultragain (remember, I talked about this deal?). BTW, do you know any way to get rid of its logo. :) Oh well, now I have to find the way to remove it from ECM8000 as well.
 
Thanks for the Welcome!

re: Elam-M 251 shape head grille -

I've been using bronze window screen material. I wrap it around the base of the mic to get the right diameter, tack solder it, remove it from the body and then solder the length of the seam. Then I make a small disc of the same mesh, bend and trim the sides, and then tuck it into the top of the grille tube made earlier and solder the top seam. The bottom of the grille is soldered into a copper band that mounts to the original holes on the 319.

The result is almost no acoustical obstruction since I'm not using any side or top bands to hold the grille, just a thin strip of solder. Downside - This is not really a "production ready" mod. The bronze mesh is pretty flimsy (a fine RF shield though), not at all like heavier gauge wire used in a commercially produced mic.

One of the benefits of doing these types of mods is the ear training - I've worked to train myself to hear finer and finer HF details.

re Astatic lollipop -

Marik, that's too cool.

I've really been bitten by the Lomo/lollipop concept. I want to make it easier to swap capsules on and off head amps, plus, I think a largish (3" maybe?) spherical grille would be an ideal acoustical size and shape for the clear/open top end I'm after. At 3" diameter, the band around the lollipop will present a much smaller acoustical shadow to the capsule than the same size band around a lollipop that is just minimally larger than the capsule.

I find it interesting that the Audix SCX-25, (a flat lollipop style mic) is reputed to have ragged off-axis response. I'm wondering if the wide band surrounding the capsule lollipop is at fault here.

Similarly, I wonder about the RTT bottle mics that have an additional ring around the lollipop head - the MKL100 and MKL102. They sure look cool but that deep ring around the MKL102 capsule housing must be doing something weird to the HF response.

Capsule grilles - the final frontier!

best to all, MJ
 
Marik said:
<Details, details!
Let me know how it sounds>

Flatpicker! :(

Don't be so impatient!
Let me go to sleep first, then tomorrow, if I have time I will finish PSU and turn it on. Yeah, it is based on Kevin's phono pre without EQ stuff. For now I am gonna fit it into Burgerjack Ultragain (remember, I talked about this deal?). BTW, do you know any way to get rid of its logo. :) Oh well, now I have to find the way to remove it from ECM8000 as well.
Sleep? You don't need no stinkin' sleep! :p

Try acetone to remove the logo.

I see you've started a thread about this over at TT. Since this is the "Microphones" forum, I'll catch you over there.
 
Re: Thanks for the Welcome!

MichaelJoly said:
re: Elam-M 251 shape head grille -

I've been using bronze window screen material.
Thanks for the info. If you ever get a camera, please take some pics. I need to make one of these for my Oktava ML-52.
 
My neighbour gave me a sizeable sheet of brass mesh, the individual strands are 1/32" and the apetures are 7/64". The plan is to press this to shape with a hydraulic press once I get past other projects.

BTW, I hope you "imperial system"guys appreciate me working in "inches" rather than metric:D

:cool:
 
Wire Mesh Resource

A terrific resource for wire mesh product, samples and knowledge is http://www.twpinc.com and their interactive wire mesh photo album at http://www.meshphoto.com

The site can be switched back and forth from imperial to metric units.

Great FAQ and other info like formulas to determine % open area etc.

Interesting to learn that a typical "12 mesh" coarse weave of 0.025" wire used in mic grilles has an open area of about 50%. Combined with a fine weave underneath (typical open area of 40%) in a typical two-layer grille makes a little resonant room around the capsule at frequencies where sound wavelenghs are short enough to be affected.

No wonder grilles affect the sound of mics so much.
 
ausrock said:
My neighbour gave me a sizeable sheet of brass mesh, the individual strands are 1/32" and the apetures are 7/64". The plan is to press this to shape with a hydraulic press once I get past other projects...
Chris! Friend! Pal! Buddy!

(Let's see... now just what are the dimensions of that Oktava grille... ;) )
 
<Sleep? You don't need no stinkin' sleep! >

What do ya mean??? I have to work with high voltages! They can be lethal!! They can kill me!!! :eek: I have to be fresh!!!! :)

<I've really been bitten by the Lomo/lollipop concept. I want to make it easier to swap capsules on and off head amps, plus, I think a largish (3" maybe?) spherical grille would be an ideal acoustical size and shape for the clear/open top end I'm after.>

Michael, the astatic one has exactly that shape. The capsule is removable, and there is a 3 pin connector, which can be subsituted with 3 pin gold plated XLR. I can make a pic later today.

<I need to make one of these for my Oktava ML-52.>

Hey Flatpicker, how many times can I tell ya--first change the tranny, then remove these freakin' meash at all! The ribbon is balanced-- you should not get any noise.
Sorry, I always cranky in the mornings :)
 
ML 52 - No Mesh Needed

Marik's right - the ML52 operates fine (RF & 60Hz electromagnet interference) without a mesh. Just use it with a pop screen for close work.

Stephen Sank has mentioned an old RCA ribbon mic where the ribbon/magnet assembly is suspended inside a large ball-shaped silk wind screen - no RF shielding.
 
Marik said:
What do ya mean??? I have to work with high voltages! They can be lethal!! They can kill me!!! :eek: I have to be fresh!!!! :)
Just funning with you. ;)
Hey Flatpicker, how many times can I tell ya--first change the tranny, then remove these freakin' meash at all! The ribbon is balanced-- you should not get any noise.
I'm not concerned about noise - I just need a cage that doesn't resonate with every G and D note someone sings into it.
 
<Stephen Sank has mentioned an old RCA ribbon mic where the ribbon/magnet assembly is suspended inside a large ball-shaped silk wind screen - no RF shielding.>

Look at this beauty--Dick Sequerra's ribbon mic. No shielding or screening at all:
 

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