My home within my home

[luapleba]

Kinda long post. Sorry

Here are some picts of my studio.

Wondering what you thought of my suspended walls in the recording room. There is one pict showing how the hanging walls come down to meet the standing mobile walls to create a small drum room or vocal booth. I hung the walls from the ceiling with heavy duty hooks and then I used industrial strength pulleys so I can easily lower the wall into place. The three walls also serve as sound deflection when they are in the up position (Whether or not that deflection does any good remains to be seen). I am too new at this to know the difference. The mobile walls are just a 2x4 frame with 3" Owens Corning Solid Foam in the middle. I used a 1x10 across the top it gives someone someplace to set something. There is a lot of Behringer equipment in the rack. It was a great place to start and my next project is to start replacing the Behringer stuff with higher quality equipment.

http://www.tomjacobband.com/images/studio/ControlDeskThroughGlass.jpg
http://www.tomjacobband.com/images/studio/FullViewControlRoom.jpg
http://www.tomjacobband.com/images/studio/FacingDrumWall_WallUp.jpg
http://www.tomjacobband.com/images/studio/FacingDrumWall_WallDown.jpg
http://www.tomjacobband.com/images/studio/LeftSideRecordingRoom_WallUp.jpg
http://www.tomjacobband.com/images/studio/RightSideRecordingRoom.jpg

There are also more picts of the room in use at http://www.tomjacobband.com/
in the members section.

My Equipment:
Guitars:
Warwick Corvette Standard Bass
Epiphone Acoustic
Yamaha Classical
Fender Strat

Mics:
1-sm57
1-sm58
1-Behringer b2
1-AT3035
1-AT813r
1-Beta52
2-Peavey pvm-480
AT DRM 4-Piece drum mic set (I use the beta52 on bass drum)
Berhinger V-Amp2 Guitar Amp Simulator


Rack:
Behringer ub2442-fx Mixer
6 Behringer 2200 mic pre's
2 m-audio audio buddy mic pre's
Behringer HA8000 8 channel headphone amp
Behringer MDX4400 4 channel compressor
Behringer DSP8024 digital EQ
Alesis DM-5 Drum Module
Alesis RA150 power amp
Event 20/20 Monitors
2 48 point patch bays

Computer:
AMD 2500 Barton
500Meg Ram
200 gigs HD
2 m-Audio delta 1010lt synch using s/pdif
2 large UPS systems (I can run the entire studio for about 2 hours on battery)

Keyboard/Controllers
Behringer BCF2000 controller
M-Audio Keystation Pro 88 controller

I know there is a lot of in-expensive rack equipment, however I just had a 7 piece band down here to record and I was able to track everything quite nicely. As I do this more I will upgrade to higher quality.

Let me know what you think

Thanks,

paul

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

Let me know what you think

I think ULI loves you!!!

 

[AlexW]

Looks fun. Good job.

 

[luapleba]

Wow

I think ULI loves you!!!

Talk about being bitch slapped by one of your heros!! I'm probably putting his kid through dental school or something

Sorry Bear.... At the time that was what I could afford. I am replacing the Behringer stuff as fast as I can.


Can I have your thoughts on the hanging walls? Please be honest. I would rather be bitch slapped again rather than being lied to.

thanks,

pja

 

[ctp_killacam]

What Sequencer do you use?

 

[luapleba]

Sonar 4 Producer. I worked at a college for quite a few years that had digital performer, but since a pc was part of my work, I couldn't justify buying a mac just for music. So I went with Cakewalk 6.0 and have stayed with them since. I guess I am just used to the interface at this point.

 

[AlexW]

Your hanging walls are basically gobos. If you get good recorded sounds and it helps with isolation--go for it! Using gobos in recording spaces is standard practice for alot of folks, so you're not out on a limb somewhere.

 

[Milkman]

Those hanging walls are a sweet idea. I use gobos a lot while recording and they make a big difference in my space...the hanging system is just adding some ingenuity to it

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

I agree on the hanging wall idea -- essentially they act as gobos.

From your pics though, the only thing that concerns me is that you have an awful lot of foam and stuff in there, and you don't mention bass traps... the foam only dampens the mid-to-high-freqs, and without low-end treatment, you end up with a very muddy-sounding, boomy room.

 

[luapleba]

I agree on the hanging wall idea -- essentially they act as gobos.

From your pics though, the only thing that concerns me is that you have an awful lot of foam and stuff in there, and you don't mention bass traps... the foam only dampens the mid-to-high-freqs, and without low-end treatment, you end up with a very muddy-sounding, boomy room.

Funny that you mention that becuase I was going to pick some up on Friday. I know I am going to have to experiement with placement, however, do you have any suggestions for where I might try to place them?

 

[reshp1]

Funny that you mention that becuase I was going to pick some up on Friday. I know I am going to have to experiement with placement, however, do you have any suggestions for where I might try to place them?

Across the corners of your room, ie wall to wall corner wall to ceiling corner and wall to floor corners.

 

[luapleba]

Across the corners of your room, ie wall to wall corner wall to ceiling corner and wall to floor corners.

Thanks. This site rocks! I have learned more in two weeks here than 1 year of stumbling around on my own

 

[Idgeit]

wow looks cool, strangly enough, looks like my studio.


- Idgeit

 

[luapleba]

wow looks cool, strangly enough, looks like my studio.

- Idgeit

Thanks

Do you have picts of yours?

 

[Idgeit]

Na none yet. In the process of converting it. Me and my dad built a Music room onto the side of my house for jamming, then i fell into the addictive word of recording, so were building a small controll room onto the side of it. Small control room with a window pretty much like yours looking into the old music room. Were putting the rest of the roof onto it tonight. So over the next week, i'll post up some before and after pics of it.

Just wondering, your drums are beside the control room window, would that not give back some refelection from the symbols off the glass? Im pretty much in the same place you are, Have the starting off gear and slowly upgrading. What you got inside those hanging walls?

Killer studio you got!

- Idgeit

 

[luapleba]

Just wondering, your drums are beside the control room window, would that not give back some refelection from the symbols off the glass? Im pretty much in the same place you are, Have the starting off gear and slowly upgrading. What you got inside those hanging walls?

- Idgeit

I can't wait to see pictures of your studio. It sounds like your going to have a pretty cool place! Please send them when you get some


Thanks for the positive re-inforcment on my studio. Not knowing what I am doing requires all the reinforcement I can get. In answer to your first question (the one about the drums): shit, I don't know!! I have been at this such a short time that I am just getting to the point that I can listen to the mix and "WHOA, there's a frequency in there that sounds like crap!" Then I spend some time isolating that frequency and removing it. I would have to believe that the drums are getting some pretty interesting sounds off of the glass, but just like I asked in the "Rack" section of this bbs 'knowing that I cannot get a great sound out of this room, is it better to deaden completely or leave some of the life in the room?' The response I got back was to deaden the room as much as possible. That being said, on to question two (what have I got in the walls): Quite by accident, as I didn't have any knowledge of what was best, I decided early on that I was going to try to isolate sound in my small room as much as possible. I figured that if I could at least record direct with what I could and keep what I couldn't from bleeding on each other I would do ok. What I did was build the hanging walls out of 2x4 frames and then used regular owens corning pink insulation compressed between two layers of 1/2 in thick layers of owens corning pink rigid foam. My wife at the time worked for a company called "Steelcase" which manufactures office furniture. I was able to get the cloth they use to cover the seats at about $.10 a yard. I used that to cover both the hanging walls and the movable gobo walls. The hanging walls are a bit reflective, but not too bad. In the movable gobo walls I just used 3 1/2" thick owens corning rigid foam with the cloth treatment on the outside. I'm sure it is not as good as the rigid fiberglass, but when I built them I didn't know about the rigid stuff... oh well.

for what it's worth here are three tracks that were recently recorded in that room. We had drums, bass, electric guit, acoustic guit, harmonica, and keyboards all going to a click track. One take on instruments and then one take on vocals...the post will explain more.

https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=154973

Thanks again,

pja

 

[Dj SoundStorm]

Behringer ub2442-fx Mixer

Hi


How do you like your Behringer ub2442-fx Mixer I'm thinking about getting for my main console to start off with later I plan to upgrade to a akai dps24

Just wondering is the mixer has worked out well for you ?

 

[luapleba]

Hi


How do you like your Behringer ub2442-fx Mixer I'm thinking about getting for my main console to start off with later I plan to upgrade to a akai dps24

Just wondering is the mixer has worked out well for you ?

It has been fine. It is a bit noisy, but not bad, and the effects fall into the ok category (in fact I rarely use them), but for the money it is not a bad place to start. Behringer equipment across the board is cheap and effective. My theory when I bought my equipment (which ended up being quite a bit of the Behringer line) was this: I don't know if I am going to be able to get the sound I want due to a lack of experience, therefore, why spend an astronomical amount of money only to find out I suck at mixing/recording. I have since found out that I am not bad. Not great, but I do ok so it's worth upgrading.
This probably didn't answer your question very well, but it is worth noting that if you do buy Behringer equipment and then decide you really like doing this you will more than likely upgrade.

Hope this helps

 

[Dj SoundStorm]

Cool

Hi

thanks for the info
I do own a few of behringer's autocom compressors so I'm aware of behringer a little but havn't really tried any of there mixers yet ? I may go the local guitar center this week and check them out.