MXL available in Australia..........but don't get too exited.

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ausrock said:
QUOTE:.........."I am not saying I can work magic, but I do care about you guys in Oz"

Oz? Magic?..........No we don't have a Wizard:D .........And I realise there is only so much you can do within the current distribution structure.

We have seen a drop in pricing ranging from 4% up to 20% depending on which mic you look at. At the same time, looking at the the comparisons between the US and Aust., recommended "List" or "Retail" prices, shows the difference between the two ranges from slightly less than 1% up to 55%.

The C series are now competitive on the abovementioned basis, but it will be "street" or "selling" price that will eventually tell the story. The B series..........well it would appear that it will still be cheaper to import.

If the VTB-1 is $179.99US list, then it too is way out of touch.

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Alan, check out musiclab.net.au - I've pasted some prices below:

Microphones RRP NOW!
RØDE NT1 condensor mic
$499
$319
RØDE NT2 condensor mic
$749
$549
RØDE NT3
$399
$259
RØDE NT4
$749
$579
RØDE NT5 matched pair
$699
$549
RØDE NTK
$1199
$749
RØDE NT1000
$699
$479
RØDE Classic 2
$2495
$1799
Octava MA-52 ribbbon mic
$1495
$1199
Octava MC-012A
$795
$495
Shure SM58
$349
$249
Studio Projects C-1
$649
$479
Studio Projects C-3
$989
$749


The RRP is on top and the sell price is below. The NT1 is selling for
$160 less than the C1, the C1 is actually the same price as the (debatable, but to me, 'much better and more expensive sounding, quieter' for many applications) NT1000. The C3 is $200 more than the NT2! Alan is there anything further that you can do to help lower the prices in Australia anymore pleeeeez?
 
Disregarding shipping/postage costs, the following are prices (in $Aust, incl GST), for SP mics from across the ditch (NZ)……….

B1…………$190
B3…………$342
TB1…… ..$660

C1…………$390
C3…………$610
T3………….$1172

VTB-1…….$342

The reasons for the NZ pricing structure has already been covered, but these prices illustrate what is possible.


What has me curious about Rode's claims of moving all manufacturing to Aust., is that in doing so they will lose a lot of money in Gov't tax exemtions which they currently enjoy, not to mention additional wages, etc..........this just doesn't make much business sense. It is always possible that they will be using a lot of smoke and mirrors to achieve their goals.




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Studio Projects prices in the USA are...

B1....... $79
B3....... $160

C1....... $199
C3....... $349
C4....... $369

VTB-1.. $130
 
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DJL,

I presume those figures are street prices. The pricing I quoted is Recommended Retail ( US List). Compare the following (all converted to $Aust at current exch rates):

NZ Retail US Equivalent US Retail/List
$Aust $US $Aust
B1 190 125 160
B3 342 225 321
TB1 660 435 644

C1 390 257 483
C3 610 402 806
T3 1172 773 1291

VTB-1 342 225 272
Then look at the Aust., Retails........

B1 249
B3 429
TB1 849

C1 519
C3 799
T3 1349

VTB-1 499

It has to be remembered also, that the Aust. $ has strengthened considerably against the Green back over the last few months.

Two things stand out.............The NZ dealer is able to retail the "C" series at a lower equivalent than the US list, and when compared to Aust., prices, it clearly illustrates what could be achieved were it possible to eliminate the importer/distributor from the food chain.

Maybe one of these light years...........:)

:cool:

PS.............as usual, I can't get these figures to line up in columns once the post is submitted:rolleyes: :confused:
 
Glawfindle,

Those prices you quoted from Music Lab are the OLD RRP's, so I don't know why they haven't updated their website RRP's when they have managed to show other more recent changes.

DJL,

I tend to work these comparisons on RRP/List prices as they are a "constant", whereas street prices vary enormously.

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those nz prices are quite impressive! i thought we'd be talking $20 difference tops! by market comparison, if the b1 had an rrp $190aus over here then i think it would be the cheapest ldc by list price in australia... kinda makes you wonder how hard everyone else must be shafting us
 
QUOTE:........."kinda makes you wonder how hard everyone else must be shafting us"

That was more or less the implication in my original post in this thread, only it was refering to MXL. Funny how the thread changed direction.................anyways, hopefully some good has come out of it if the discussion here contributed to the SP price changes in some small way.

:cool:
 
Just to add a little to the mix, www.musiclab.net.au are blowing out the B1 at $209 AU. Still a bit more expensive than NZ price, but less shipping, and local service. Just something to think about.

Steve
 
Thanks for that Steve.

I wonder if that is an indication of a further reduction pending on the B1................Music Lab sometimes seem to be symbiotically attached to Front End Audio.........they were "blowing out" the C1 at what was to become their new discounted price a significant amount of time BEFORE the price reductions were even announced.

Did they have insider information? Is someone sucking arse? :D :D :D

For anyone prepared to deal off-shore, a B1 can be purchased from the US for the equivalent of $121 Aust ($79 US I think),..........even with the cost of prioritory mail added, this means you can still save shitloads of $. e.g:......Buy a pair for $242, add approx $50 for Global Express Mail (4 - 6 days delivery), and if it does get picked up through Customs, import duty shouldn't add too great an amount to the total.

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ausrock said:


What has me curious about Rode's claims of moving all manufacturing to Aust., is that in doing so they will lose a lot of money in Gov't tax exemtions which they currently enjoy, not to mention additional wages, etc..........this just doesn't make much business sense. It is always possible that they will be using a lot of smoke and mirrors to achieve their goals.

:cool:

Hi Aus,

I'm not 'clued in' on tax exemptions etc.....and smoke and mirrors...hehe...please explain?

From what I do know though, it makes perfectly good sense to me...if some parts are currently being made elsewhere (really, so what, if stringent QC is in place etc.) and they have decided to bring all manufacturing to Oz, then great! If using automated equipment in Oz and having even further (or ultimate) control 100% of the time over all manufacturing means better quality, less expensive (less labour) mics then its all good for all of us, isn't it?

I recently got a mic serviced at Rode (BTW, my NT3 was a little noisy and out of warranty - but they repaired it on the spot for me) while they gave me a short tour of their factory at Rhodes in Sydney. Among other interesting machines was what they call a 'pick and place' machine (methinks). Man, I don't know how many companies use these machines - I'm guessing that some may use them but also many other companies use cheap labour in other parts of the world - but this thing picked up all of the tiny components - resistors, capacitors etc. and placed them on a big PCB board (which was essentially a number of boards attached together) in lightning fast speed and in exactly the correct position. The board then went over solder then through a heater and ready for testing. (This machine is a little hard to explain but its on their demo CD and website as well). This machine apparently cuts out labour costs in a massive way and reduces the chance of natural human errors.

This automated equipment would be very expensive I believe but they are probably now in a position where they can buy these machines and do everything in Australia as I think their owner / director Peter Freedman originally intended.

They also showed me their capsule making area which consisted of clean benches (these enclosed bench things that has two holes that you stick your hands in) which I think filters the air to keep it ultra clean. Now, I don't know which or how many capsules are made in OZ, but they told me that they certainly are in the process of moving everything to Australia (and into the new factory at Silverwater) and we'll all be better off for it - except maybe some other mic companies...

Aus what surprised me most about this was how willing they seemed to be to show me around their factory - I think they are aware that there are a lot of lies and innuendo floating around the place and that it is to their benefit to show people around and prove that they have nothing to hide. I don't know if this is normal practise to do a factory tour for the normal public but if you want further information and are interested, why don't you ask them for a tour yourself Aus (or anyone else, for that matter)?

And yes it does seem that I am very biased towards Rode - and I am, with good reason. I've never been 'overly' patriotic before BUT I am an Australian who lives and works in Australia, who likes buying Australian - it can only be good for our economy and keeping Australian people employed. Rode just seem to have by far the best combination of product, performance, price and distribution than any other mics currently available in Australia - ask the majority of main Rode dealers in Australia - they will tell you the same story.

I guess I'm just as biased towards Rode as some other people are towards some other mic manufacturers or 'rebadgers' (sorry, couldn't help it!). But I'm certainly far from being that biased or blind to think that Rode mics are the best for everyone.....there are a lot of different sound sources and environments out there, everyone has different hearing, style and taste etc. It always helps to have a selection of mics at hand.
 
ausrock said:
Glawfindle,

Those prices you quoted from Music Lab are the OLD RRP's, so I don't know why they haven't updated their website RRP's when they have managed to show other more recent changes.

Thanks for that correction Aus. Even though the RRPs are more stable than sell prices - ultimately the sell price is what matters most to the end user and dealer anyway. The RRP is just some sort of guide which really is meaning less and less. Esp. when sell prices are often half the RRP price.

Maybe Musiclab are quoting inflated RRPs to make it appear that they are giving a bigger discount. Coz, if they are selling at lower prices then you would think that they would have to be aware of the lower RRPs as well.
 
Glawfindle said:

By Ausrock...

"Really an accurate answer to either of these questions is not particularly relevant and as I think has been said before, Alan has managed to do something other "manufacturers" don't appear willing to do, (at least at this time), and that is to get their Aust., distributors to drop prices."


Really, I'd like an accurate answer from Alan regarding the reason why SP products have to be shipped from China to the USA, then to Australia instead of from China straight to us (if this is accurate, of course) - so that we can understand why Aussies have to pay more? If Alan could ship the required quantities straight to us (we are closer to China than the USA) then our prices should even be cheaper than the USA. If he could open up an SP owned distributor in Australia (and avoid the external distributors profit margin) they would be cheaper. Aus I'm as interested in these (seemingly unecessary - until we hear otherwise) additional costs as you are in individual mic components.


Hi Alan,

Could you please clarify this for us?

Thank you
 
Glawf,

There appears to have been a few changes/improvements in the way Rode are dealing with customers............possibly brought about by the competition now available in Australia. They have apparently given (some) dealers better buy prices, therefore better margins to discount with, and this "open door" policy you encountered recently seems to be in stark contrast to their past reluctance to give out much information. This is likely a result of their anticipated move to total local production..................obviously, this makes for much better PR than their past (and still current) business structure.

You could almost bet your arse that when it happens their marketing dept., will make sure everyone knows.


Re your question to Alan Hyatt.......... whilst I have no doubt that the SP into Aust, and pricing issue could be further improved, I think it is probably time to leave it alone for now..............Alan achieved something in pricing that could have a flow-on effect to other importers (hopefully) and there have been comments made about further reductions within the SP range in the future. Obviously, Alan can reply, but I think there are certain aspects of his business that are just that.......HIS BUSINESS, not ours.



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Just to clarify your last post..........

By Ausrock .........

"Really an accurate answer to either of these questions is not particularly relevant and as I think has been said before, Alan has managed to do something other "manufacturers" don't appear willing to do, (at least at this time), and that is to get their Aust., distributors to drop prices."





NOT by Ausrock.........

" Really, I'd like an accurate answer from Alan regarding the reason why SP products have to be shipped from China to the USA, then to Australia instead of from China straight to us (if this is accurate, of course) - so that we can understand why Aussies have to pay more? If Alan could ship the required quantities straight to us (we are closer to China than the USA) then our prices should even be cheaper than the USA. If he could open up an SP owned distributor in Australia (and avoid the external distributors profit margin) they would be cheaper. Aus I'm as interested in these (seemingly unecessary - until we hear otherwise) additional costs as you are in individual mic components"

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Really, I'd like an accurate answer from Alan regarding the reason why SP products have to be shipped from China to the USA, then to Australia instead of from China straight to us

<snip>

That's a good question... because SP ships direct from China to UK.
 
ausrock said:
Glawf,
There appears to have been a few changes/improvements in the way Rode are dealing with customers............possibly brought about by the competition now available in Australia. They have apparently given (some) dealers better buy prices, therefore better margins to discount with, and this "open door" policy you encountered recently seems to be in stark contrast to their past reluctance to give out much information. This is likely a result of their anticipated move to total local production..................obviously, this makes for much better PR than their past (and still current) business structure.

You could almost bet your arse that when it happens their marketing dept., will make sure everyone knows.

Re your question to Alan Hyatt.......... whilst I have no doubt that the SP into Aust, and pricing issue could be further improved, I think it is probably time to leave it alone for now..............Alan achieved something in pricing that could have a flow-on effect to other importers (hopefully) and there have been comments made about further reductions within the SP range in the future. Obviously, Alan can reply, but I think there are certain aspects of his business that are just that.......HIS BUSINESS, not ours.



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'Makes for better PR than their past business structure'

Ausrock - you say that there are some things that you would rather not go into about Rodes business structure but then you come out with comments like this.

OK then, why, what do you mean? Or is that just simply your business too...(Having great value - to say the least - products is great for every consumer - especially in Australia where they are even better value and foreign products are even more expensive).

And yes - it makes great PR - I'm looking forward to it actually - one of the few Aussie business success stories - a company who can match it with the OS big guys.

Alan seems quite happy to air his opinion on a lot of things - why would he not want to answer something simple - like why do SP mics have to go from China, to the USA and then to Australia instead of straight from China to Australia - even if the cost is minimal - there are still additional costs which the end user ultimately has to pay isn't there?
 
Glawf,

That's twice now that I've bothered to notice, that you have either edited or incorrectly quoted something I have posted.

You have your opinion of Rode and I'll have mine............but I am comfortable knowing my views are based on actual fact and not some idealistic opinion which appears to revolve around "made in Aust.," and "jobs for Aussies". BTW, I have no issue with Rode's quality as I've been acquainted with their mics in one way or another for approx 10 years.

Re SP mics coming direct from China...........This comment is hypothetical..........Maybe, Alan would prefer to ship mics direct to Oz, ......maybe the existing distribution company isn't capable of handling a possible increase in workload that this may generate, ......maybe Alan would like to set up shop here, but the market size isn't capable of sustaining such a move.............

You see, there are these and many other variables involved, and as I said before............maybe it just isn't our fucking business.

:rolleyes:
 
ausrock said:
Glawf,

That's twice now that I've bothered to notice, that you have either edited or incorrectly quoted something I have posted.

You have your opinion of Rode and I'll have mine............but I am comfortable knowing my views are based on actual fact and not some idealistic opinion which appears to revolve around "made in Aust.," and "jobs for Aussies". BTW, I have no issue with Rode's quality as I've been acquainted with their mics in one way or another for approx 10 years.

Re SP mics coming direct from China...........This comment is hypothetical..........Maybe, Alan would prefer to ship mics direct to Oz, ......maybe the existing distribution company isn't capable of handling a possible increase in workload that this may generate, ......maybe Alan would like to set up shop here, but the market size isn't capable of sustaining such a move.............

You see, there are these and many other variables involved, and as I said before............maybe it just isn't our fucking business.

:rolleyes:

I apologise for misquoting you Aus (the 1st time as well, still getting used to this, shall be more careful in future) - I didn't mean to:

By Aus..

"...obviously, this makes for much better PR than their past (and still current) business structure...."

Better? I didn't mean to leave out '(and still current)'. Either way...it meant exactly the same thing.

Re: SP mics having to go from China to the USA then to Australia, instead of directly to Australia from China - an answer from the horses mouth would be good - whether hypothertical or not I feel that it is still a very valid question as to why SP mics are so expensive in Australia - when compared to the rest of the world.

By Aus...

"You have your opinion of Rode and I'll have mine............but I am comfortable knowing my views are based on actual fact and not some idealistic opinion which appears to revolve around "made in Aust.," and "jobs for Aussies".

Tell us your 'facts' Aus!

'Idealistic opinion' - hehe - sorry can't see your point - Rode are an Aussie company based in Australia employing Australians - and thats a fact - if you could be bothered, check them out for yourself - have a look at the factory tour on the website, or on the demo CD, or go to the factory in person - there really is no big conspiracy!
 
I've seen their factory tour, was sent their CD along with a bottle of Rode Red and a nifty little Rode jewellers screwdriver set, etc etc, quite some time ago..............all because I phoned them and asked some specific questions for background info regarding a "discussion" here at HR.com, and that wasn't my first contact with them, but was probably the most rewarding.

:)
 
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