MXL 603 & Joemeek JM27 are they the same?

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DJL said:
I hate misleading info... expressly when used to spam a product.
http://www.homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=93818
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DJL,

I am not sure if you read it carefully, but Allan clearly wrote in a few messages "the same kind and type". It is not the "same"--the way you conviniently turn for your purposes. I hope you understand the difference between those two. At least I did not notice anything misleading. Also, if you read it carefully enough, Allan has mentioned ADK, Cascade, and some other brands, as well. Does it mean that he spams for his competitors???
And the last, as far as I know, nobody appointed you to be a moderator on this forum, so I would like to know, who gave you rights to decide here what is spam, and what is not.

And BTW, your statement about C4 and B5 is really misleading--why don't you hate it?
 
Marik said:
DJL,

I am not sure if you read it carefully, but Allan clearly wrote in a few messages "the same kind and type". It is not the "same"--the way you conviniently turn for your purposes. I hope you understand the difference between those two. At least I did not notice anything misleading. Also, if you read it carefully enough, Allan has mentioned ADK, Cascade, and some other brands, as well. Does it mean that he spams for his competitors???
And the last, as far as I know, nobody appointed you to be a moderator on this forum, so I would like to know, who gave you rights to decide here what is spam, and what is not.

And BTW, your statement about C4 and B5 is really misleading--why don't you hate it?
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Read Alan's post again...
alanhyatt said:
The 603's are very good mics. We did an in house shootout a couple of weeks ago with C4's, Schoeps, Cascade, and the new Joemeek JM27 The JM27 is the same mic as the 603, ADK SC1, and the Cascade mic.

The 603, or in this case the Joemeek JM27 we used was darker sounding, yet had a full rich and warm sound to it. It added a color to the mids that was quite nice for acoustic guitar, but only acceptable at best on overheads, where the C4 were very open and detailed on everything. The C4's were very close to the Schoeps, but we were very surprised how well the JM27 did, so that means the 603's will also do very well.

Now this is us at our facility, so don't go taking our word as some of you may feel we were biased in the test, but the end result is the 603/Joemeek JM27 are pretty darn good for the money.

FWIW....
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In the above post Alan is misleading people into believing the JM27 and MXL603S are the "same" mic... not kind of the same. It wasn't untill after I called Alan on the above statement that he said kind of the same.

When someone ask about a MXL603S they don't want an opinion of a MXL990 unless maybe they were the "same" mic (which they aren't). If the MXL603S and JM27 were indeed the "same" mic, or if Alan would have stated the JM27 and MXL603S were "kind of" the same (and explained) I wouldn't have said anything. But the JM27 and MXL603S are NOT the same and Alan was giving misleading JM27/MXL603S info in order to plug/spam his JM27 mic.

I hate misleading info... expressly when used to spam a product.
 
LISTEN.

Go ahead and buy the behringer or marshall or whatever the hell you want. Then when you have problems, try to get ahold of the owner of the company to fix the problem for you. Alan has responded countless times to people here and other recording forums. The service from him in dealing with all of his products is above topnotch. To be honest, I'd pay more than he asks for his gear just for the excellent service that comes with the purchase. You can try to hurt him, but his reputation for service and honesty exceed most in the industry, any industry. And you are a no-one, no one cares what you have to say, so just shut up.

H2H
 
Hard2Hear said:
LISTEN.

Go ahead and buy the behringer or marshall or whatever the hell you want. Then when you have problems, try to get ahold of the owner of the company to fix the problem for you. Alan has responded countless times to people here and other recording forums. The service from him in dealing with all of his products is above topnotch. To be honest, I'd pay more than he asks for his gear just for the excellent service that comes with the purchase. You can try to hurt him, but his reputation for service and honesty exceed most in the industry, any industry. And you are a no-one, no one cares what you have to say, so just shut up.

H2H
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You know what's funny (but true)... I agree. I even ordered a JM27. But I still don't like misleading info or sneeky type spam.
 
I just got a matched pair of mk012's, I love 'em. They are not the best I have ever used but they are a great addition to my studio and can be used in many applications. I would get the 603's if it were me shopping and couldn't find (or afford) the mk012's
 
Psssssssst!!!
Yo' DJL, remember that conversation we had a while back?
You know the one about situations like these.....................................Hmmm! ;)
 
as much as Id like to say DJL is wrong, he is 100% right......

Alans statement that they are the same mic, IMO, was to make the people that read it believe that they are the exact same mic......

Justin Hyatt has said the same over at Recording.org in Alan's forum....
"The JM27 is the same mic inside.. "
 
Gidge,

I did not say the mic was the same "inside", but you are entitled to take my meaning anyway you wish to. I have explained it when asked, and I still consider the comment to be dead on. There are many mics that are the same based on cost, class, type, application and performance expectations.

That was what I was talking about. The comment came back from DJL as JM27 SPAM, which it was not. Had he asked the question in more mannered way without the SPAM accusation, I whold have answered him is a more civil manner.

Anyway, enough of this, I have stated my opinion on the manner, and you and others are free to say what you wish. :)
 
Justin said ""The JM27 is the same mic inside.. " in your forum....you definitely didnt correct him......
 
This is nit-picking at it's finest.

FFS, these are "cheap", budget mics all out of the same stables...........considering their relative pricing and the sector of the market they are aimed at, any differences are virtually irrelevant.

:rolleyes:
 
Brent Casey said:
Well, the capsules are quite similar, the circuits are not. Both use the 2SK170BL JFET, but in entirely different manners. The 603 splits the signal at the JFET into two smaller out of phase but equal signals which drive a couple of PNP emitter follower transistors on the output.
The JM27 uses the 2SK170 configured as a common source amplifier which is capacitively coupled to a step down transformer on the output. The capsule is phantom polarized at around +46v.
The board layout is quite nice. A well-manicured playground for any of you DIY'ers out there.
I have recorded with them. If you are interested in my impressions, drop me a pm.

Brent Casey
PMI Audio Group
877-563-6335
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These two topologies are completely different. Not only is the electronics design different, but the JM27 uses a transformer output and the others do not.

I agree with DJL on this one. The posts go beyond saying that they are the same mics. The posts say, specifically, that the 603 and the JM27 *sound* the same. This absolutely cannot be true for the reasons above. Not trying to side with anyone as I have no input good or bad about any of your products. I have none. But, a mic buyer will definately take this info the wrong way. WAY wrong. I know if I bought a JM27, thinking it was the same mic as a 603, I would be a little upset.
 
ausrock said:
This is nit-picking at it's finest.

FFS, these are "cheap", budget mics all out of the same stables...........considering their relative pricing and the sector of the market they are aimed at, any differences are virtually irrelevant.

:rolleyes:
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This particular issue is not nit-picking at all. You may not like DJL, but, this is a serious issue. These two mics cannot possibly be considered the "same" in any respect
 
I am sorry to the few of you here that just don't get what I said, or refuse to even want to understand it. It seems the rest understand well where I classed a bunch of mics together, so think what you want.

I did not mean to take you away from your busy "recording" schedules... :rolleyes:
 
alanhyatt said:
I am sorry to the few of you here that just don't get what I said, or refuse to even want to understand it. It seems the rest understand well where I classed a bunch of mics together, so think what you want.

I did not mean to take you away from your busy "recording" schedules... :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by alanhyatt
The 603's are very good mics. We did an in house shootout a couple of weeks ago with C4's, Schoeps, Cascade, and the new Joemeek JM27 The JM27 is the same mic as the 603, ADK SC1, and the Cascade mic.

The 603, or in this case the Joemeek JM27 we used was darker sounding, yet had a full rich and warm sound to it. It added a color to the mids that was quite nice for acoustic guitar, but only acceptable at best on overheads, where the C4 were very open and detailed on everything. The C4's were very close to the Schoeps, but we were very surprised how well the JM27 did, so that means the 603's will also do very well.

Now this is us at our facility, so don't go taking our word as some of you may feel we were biased in the test, but the end result is the 603/Joemeek JM27 are pretty darn good for the money.

FWIW....

I have no idea as to what you are *trying* to say.
Let me help.
I read the above quote. Where, anywhere, is there a reference, or even an inference, to the mics not being the same both in build or sound?

This exact quote is not only very misleading, it is completely wrong.
I have to say that this newsgroup is the only one I have been on where people write simple statements, and then tell the reader that the statement is NOT WHAT THEY MEANT. I can read, I read, and you are totally wrong on this one. There is no reason to get mad about this. The quote says what it says in more than one way.
 
Acorec,

My comments have nothing to do with any HR personalities. I just find this whole "blow out" ludicrous considering that price-wise, these mics are at the low end of the scale. Now if we were dealing with something costing a few hundred bucks, I could understand.

But that's just my opinion.
 
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