Multitrack record rehearsals and bring it home to Cubase

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Here's what I'd like to do:

-at my band's rehearsal place put 3 voice-mics, 3 guitars and 3 drum-mics simultaneously into a digital recorder
-record 9 tracks and simultaneousely send all 9 signals to the appropriate 9 inputs in our mixer/PA
-bring the recordings back home to my computer to edit, mix and master the 9 tracks for each song we have rehearsed

Is it possible?
 
Yes this is possible.

But if you have not bought the digital recorder yet I would buy a sufficient large audio interface and record direct in your computer or laptop.

That way you get a higher quality sound, because digital recorders have a lower spec audio wise than audio interfaces.

Cheers
 
hmmm... OK, understand, but bringing my computer to the rehearsal place will be quite a job. It's not a laptop. And does a sound interface have, say, 9 outputs to send the signal to the mixer/PA simultaneously?
 
If you're going to the recorded then the PA you may get a 3-6ms delay due to AD/DA conversion
 
If you're going to the recorded then the PA you may get a 3-6ms delay due to AD/DA conversion
...or more depending on your buffer settings.

However; considering that being 1m away from a speaker introduces nearly a 3ms "delay", I'm sure this wouldn't be a problem. Anything up to 20ms is pretty much unnoticeable.

Finding an interface with 9 inputs may prove tricky :)
8 is very common, but anything more than that and you're pretty much looking at going for a 16 input setup.

Having a lot of outputs to feed back into the PA is also no problem (apart from the latency mentioned above). An alternative solution would be to use a mixer for the PA that has direct-outs on each channel that you can record from.

Before we can make any suggestions though it would be handy to have an idea of your budget.
 
-record 9 tracks and simultaneousely send all 9 signals to the appropriate 9 inputs in our mixer/PA? ..

Depending on the gear (where are the preamps?) more typical would be inputs to a mixer, direct line outs to the recorder, or the split the inouts and go to both?
 
If you had a digital recorder like the Tascam 2488neo($600-700) or one similar, you could run 8 channels through it, using it's preamps, record 8 different tracks and send a stereo line out to the PA.

After tracking you could load the tracks into your computer via a usb port and mix there or you could just mix and master in the Tascam. The killer is that 9th track you need. You might get away with just 2 drum mics, an overhead and bass.
 
Thanx all. I'll check out the mixer for direct outputs. I'll also check out the Tascam. I'll do fine with 8 inputs. My budget is as low as possible. We're just a local (but excellent) live band. Some time ago we recorded the main outs from the mixer to a very cheap recorder. Here's the result:
:-)
 
Very nice rojtveit. Pretty decent mixing on the fly too which is pretty hard to do, especially if you're one of the performers :)

Well, you have the solution, best of luck to you!
 
Hi rogtveit,
I could reccomend a Zoom HD16 for recording your tracks. I know a lot of people bash the Zoom stuff, but I know a few people who have had pretty decent results with them. With the HD16, you can record 8 tracks at a time, & it has on board pre-amps, compressors, eq, & other effects for each channel. You could probably find a HD16 pretty cheap used. Hope this helps!
 
If you had a digital recorder like the Tascam 2488neo($600-700) or one similar, you could run 8 channels through it, using it's preamps, record 8 different tracks and send a stereo line out to the PA.

After tracking you could load the tracks into your computer via a usb port and mix there or you could just mix and master in the Tascam. The killer is that 9th track you need. You might get away with just 2 drum mics, an overhead and bass.

This is exactly what our band does to record. We use the Tascam 2488 MKII with each member in a different room of the house (for isolation). All the mic cables feed back to the Tascam, which outputs to headphone amps for the members to monitor themselves/rest of the band.

Then, after we've recorded, patched where necessary (the beauty of using the multitrack recorder), and agreed that all of our parts are correct, I transfer the .WAV files for each track into CuBase 4 LE for mixdown.

I don't think it matters what multitrack brand you get, as long as it has enough channels to handle what your application demands.

If you don't have a place big enough to separate into different areas for isolation, perhaps a multitrack that only handles 4 simultaneous inputs would be sufficient. You could record the drums to 4 tracks first, then import them to CuBase. Either in CuBase or on the multitrack, you can mixdown those 4 tracks into a stereo pair for playback for the next instrument(s) recording.

Each time, take the new tracks recorded into Cubase, and add into the stereo mix for playback monitoring while recording.

A bit slower process, but just as good. Also, the nice thing about the multitrack recorders versus the PC recording, would definitiely be the reduced latency.

Good luck!
 
A bit slower process, but just as good. Also, the nice thing about the multitrack recorders versus the PC recording, would definitiely be the reduced latency.

In my opinion this just seems horribly clumsy method if you transfer all the tracks for mixdown on the computer anyway :D Swallow your pride and get recording straight to the PC! You won't regret it.

And latency? What latency?
Most interfaces have onboard 'zero-latency' mixing for doing monitor mixing, and even without this; with low buffer settings you can be looking at round-trip latencies of under 10ms anyway


I hope not to annoy anyone here who likes their multitrack recorded but in an age where you can cheaply set up a laptop as a portable DAW with a large amount of inputs, I see such equipment quickly become obsolete. I understand why the concept was developed when computer recording was expensive and troublesome, but, well, its not anymore!
 
..I hope not to annoy anyone here who likes their multitrack recorded but in an age where you can cheaply set up a laptop as a portable DAW with a large amount of inputs, I see such equipment quickly become obsolete. I understand why the concept was developed when computer recording was expensive and troublesome, but, well, its not anymore!

Another +/- to weigh between the two (or any system) is while the OneBox' does it's complete in one package/portable thing, every time pieces of the system are packed together, flexibiltiy, future expansion/options go down, chance that failure of any one piece in the chain putting the whole system out of action goes up.
 
hmmm... OK, understand, but bringing my computer to the rehearsal place will be quite a job. It's not a laptop.

I guess I was thinking that $300 multitrack would be less expensive than buying a laptop, and less trouble than hauling your desktop around.

If money isn't an problem, buy yourself a laptop and an audio interface.. something like a PreSonus FP10 10x10 FireWire Interface (Firepod). If money is a problem, have the band record at your house, and buy the best audio interface you can afford.

I've worked my way up to both multitrack and computer-based recording. Since I don't have a control surface yet for my PC, I prefer recording large groups with my multitrack, simply because having the faders and buttons instead of a mouse and keyboard is easier for me (my band likes to record at the same time, and then just go back for fixes, adjusting levels with the multitrack is still easier for me in the heat of recording).

Of course, everyone here is just giving you advice from their point of view... which is great, but because we are obviously all different in what we like to use to record, chances are that you'd be best off looking around for a couple engineers near you that could demo the different options for you. That will help keep you from spending $700 on a multitrack, just to find out that you'd rather have ended up spending $700 on a PC setup, or vice-versa.

One thing is for sure, you're going to have to spend some money either way.
 
In my opinion this just seems horribly clumsy method if you transfer all the tracks for mixdown on the computer anyway :D Swallow your pride and get recording straight to the PC! You won't regret it.
What's nice about the Tascam is you can bring it to your gigs and use it as your mixer while recording live.
Transfering the tracks to your computer is a breeze with USB or you can mix, master and burn cd's right from the Tascam.
 
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