MSH-1A matched pair test

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Thus I will limit my public comments to discussion of my designs on the basis of the schematics I have posted, for the benefit of DIYers.

MSH, would you mind posting a pic of your wiring? I am curious as to how you are fitting so much into a Neutrik connector. Are you using a regular old copper clad perf board or did you have PCBs made? I have never messed with mics before, so this looks to be a DIY project I could easily tackle and even be somewhat successful at. I fthat is a "trade secret", I understand.
 
you said you had bought some shockmounts from that guy...
im looking at his store and there seems to be a few different kinds...
which did you buy?
 
orksnork said:
gotta hear these for myself

Match Pair MSH-1A Omnidirectional Condenser Microphone paid for.

can't wait to get em.

LOL! Same here. Listened to the sample and thought "that sounds pretty damn good for $44!"

If I have them by Friday I'll test drive them working as on-stage mics in a 24 track live mix.
 
lol! i paid you 6 bucks more for a fucking power conditioner!

you're spending my money on them! and then drinking a 12 of naty ice...arent you!?:D:D:D:D
 
orksnork said:
lol! i paid you 6 bucks more for a fucking power conditioner!

you're spending my money on them! and then drinking a 12 of naty ice...arent you!?:D:D:D:D

Hmmm, well yah they are "kinda" free I guess... :p

Naty Ice? NOT! :eek:

Of course I still need a replacement power conditioner, so they're not THAT free I guess...
 
mshilarious,

I just bought the MSH-1a stereo kit! I can't wait either, so I was wondering.....

What's the time frame, in general, that I may expect them to arrive?

I can't believe how phsyched I am to hear and use these mics.

Thanks for building and making these available for such an affordable price.

Lucio
 
MSH: I Just found a way to make a Ballanced output useing a single Dual opamp that integrates directly into my PCB design perfectly and will run off of the same power rails.... I will work on Integrateing the Design tonight and get my Toner transfers for etching the PCB tomorow and give it a shot at designing my first real curcuit...Hopefully it will work perfectly and sound awesome and I will sell them and make a Million....I Don"t think So!!!

I"ll keep you posted on how it turns out....

Cheers

PS:here is the Ballanceing Curcuit:

http://1176neve.tripod.com/id6.html

I am also going to look into the DRV134/135....
 
Minion said:
MSH: I Just found a way to make a Ballanced output useing a single Dual opamp that integrates directly into my PCB design perfectly and will run off of the same power rails.... I will work on Integrateing the Design tonight and get my Toner transfers for etching the PCB tomorow and give it a shot at designing my first real curcuit...Hopefully it will work perfectly and sound awesome and I will sell them and make a Million....I Don"t think So!!!

I"ll keep you posted on how it turns out....

Cheers

PS:here is the Ballanceing Curcuit:

http://1176neve.tripod.com/id6.html

I am also going to look into the DRV134/135....

You guys are coming up with some cool stuff. I need to get back to reading those electronics books again so I can understand how it works. Lots of cool stuff on your site Minion. That 8 channel green pre looks like it was a nightmare to assemble.
 
Minion said:
MSH: I Just found a way to make a Ballanced output useing a single Dual opamp that integrates directly into my PCB design perfectly and will run off of the same power rails....

Oh yeah, I didn't mean to imply that opamps wouldn't work. Good ol' NE5532 is popular for output stages as it can drive a low impedance. In fact DRV134 is essentially a specialized opamp that saves you some external parts.

Hopefully it will work perfectly and sound awesome and I will sell them and make a Million....I Don"t think So!!!

Here is the catch to selling powered circuits, and why I avoid it: if you use your own power supply in gear you want to sell, it has to be UL tested which ain't cheap. Or you can use a wall wart, but if you use DC converters I believe you would need FCC testing as they use a timing signal in the RF range. I am not 100% certain about that, but I'd check it out. No worries for your own DIY though.

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=746270
 
About preamps...

I tried the mic's with a couple different pre's and they performed well through each.

I understand that one of the differences between the MSH-1 and 1A is the range of input impedance it can work well with - the 1A being able to handle low impedence inputs better.

Question for mshilarious: what makes/models of pre's would be classified as having low impedance inputs?

Tim
 
Timothy Lawler said:
Question for mshilarious: what makes/models of pre's would be classified as having low impedance inputs?

That's a good question, I haven't taken a tally, but modern preamps are nearly always 1K ohms or higher, or they have adjustable input impedance. Changing the input impedance is a feature that is mostly useful for dynamic mics; the interaction of the dynamic coil, transformer, and input impedance gives some interesting tonal options.

Generally, lowering the preamp's input impedance with a (transformerless) condenser mic will simply tend to lose sensitivity without much effect on tone. Therefore you'll see lots of condenser mics state in their specs that preamps with input impedance over 1K ohms are recommended.

So I would expect that we would mostly find that vintage gear has low input impedance, going back to the old impedance-matching days where everything was 600 ohms, input and output. That maximizes power transfer, but it's not that useful of an idea when we are concerned only with the signal itself (voltage), and not its ability to do any work.

There is another benefit to low output impedance, that has to do with driving long cables. The resistance of the cable is still a relatively trivial matter, but capacitance can grow to a problematic level with a high output impedance. The output impedance of the mic and capacitance of the cable will form an RC filter, which is a lowpass filter. This is why guitarists avoid using long cables; it's not as bad with a high output impedance mic, but were one to run an MSH-1 (Tape Op mic, etc.) through a 20ft cable to a 100ft snake, that is starting to get into the audio range and causes an attenuation of high frequencies.
 
Just a question: would it be doable to make a dynamic mic for the costs of an MSH-1A? I know most dynamic element are a bit bigger, but what do I know :p
 
Halion said:
Just a question: would it be doable to make a dynamic mic for the costs of an MSH-1A? I know most dynamic element are a bit bigger, but what do I know :p


Yes you probably could useing really cheap parts but it probably wouldn"t have the Frequency responce of the MSH-1A"s because even Good dynamics still don"t have a frequency responce of even a cheap condenser but they are less noisy....

You can actually buy Dynamics for cheaper than $20, The mics I make are built from the Bodies of Cheap dynamic mics and these Cheap Dynamics are only about $4 ,but I only use the Bodies and the On/Off switch and the XLR connector (Sometimes).....

You can actually make your own Dynamic mic from a Coiled piece of Wire and a Magnet and a Piece of Thin Mylar or even Paper or plastic if you wanted but it wouldn"t be very good , you can even make one from an Old speaker and just wire it backwards, they actually make good Kick drum mics ....

Cheers
 
Minion said:
You can actually make your own Dynamic mic from a Coiled piece of Wire and a Magnet and a Piece of Thin Mylar or even Paper or plastic if you wanted but it wouldn"t be very good , you can even make one from an Old speaker and just wire it backwards, they actually make good Kick drum mics ....

Cheers

That's an interesting thought, by extension just look for a really small speaker, like the buzzer in a PC, and wire to a buffer circuit, maybe give it a bit of gain . . . I have no idea how it would sound though.
 
Ofcourse a dynamic mic won't side like a condensor, but that's ok. I was hoping for something along the lines of an SM57.
 
The physics of a dynamic requires some sizable diaphragm to push the coil of wire through the magnetic field with enough velocity to produce a current. The condensor, on the other hand, responds with hardly any movement at all. I read that if a half inch condensor diaghragm was the size of the earth, the deflection at full ouput would be like six inches or something, and that's why you can make a very nice condenser with a 6mm element.
 
Well actually I was thinking about piezo elements. There are a few miniature magnetic tranducers too. The problem seems to be since they are designed as buzzers, they have a troublesome resonant peak (that is troublesome in terms of transducing the other direction). So it would appear that it would be necessary to design a notch filter to compensate.
 
I looked at these on a (your?) site a month or so ago & was VERY interested. Now I've heard Timothy's work with them I'm also very impressed (by Tim's works as well).
What would be the total for 1 mic to the eastern side of Australia?
&
as above for a matched pair?
 
rayc said:
I looked at these on a (your?) site a month or so ago & was VERY interested. Now I've heard Timothy's work with them I'm also very impressed (by Tim's works as well).
What would be the total for 1 mic to the eastern side of Australia?
&
as above for a matched pair?

Hey, rayc, go to this site, and you can get your questions answered.

http://naiant.com/studiostore/microphones.html
 
That sounded good enough that I just bought a matched pair.
 
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