MQ3 vs DMP3 vs VTB-1

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Which one do you recommend?

  • JoeMeek MQ3

    Votes: 3 12.5%

  • M-Audio DMP-3

    Votes: 7 29.2%

  • Studio Projects VTB-1

    Votes: 14 58.3%
  • Total voters
    24
Glad to hear you are a fan of the KC jazz scene alan. Some day you should visit the Charlie Parker Museum on 18th and Vine. I used to take my guitar lessons from sonny Kenner myself.

Theres a point to it, the right set up and feel has alot to do with what guitar you will be inspired with. I recently picked up such an ax, I fell in love, right there in the store, we played together for what seemed to be forever, if only for a minute. That night I thought about her and decided that I couldnt live another day without her. when I got to the shop the very next day, I found out that she had gone home with another man. Who could never love her like I did. ( Ill bet he was a James Taylor fan or some lame shit like that ).

Needless to say I was crushed, then I swore there will never be another.
 
I could afford to date, if you didnt make my gear so expensive.
 
Alan can you please go over your new pre's? What is this Toft? Is the VTB-2 a higher quality version of the VTB-1? or is it just the same as the VTB-1 but with 2 channels...I believe you have also mentioned some kinda 8 channel thingy...

Also are you going to be demoing the Stephen Paul Mic at AES? This is mic is on my future purchase list as I think it will make a nice compliment to my other mics (U95s, AT4060, GT62)

Thanks!
 
etherize said:
Alan can you please go over your new pre's? What is this Toft? Is the VTB-2 a higher quality version of the VTB-1? or is it just the same as the VTB-1 but with 2 channels...I believe you have also mentioned some kinda 8 channel thingy...

Also are you going to be demoing the Stephen Paul Mic at AES? This is mic is on my future purchase list as I think it will make a nice compliment to my other mics (U95s, AT4060, GT62)

Thanks!
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Stephen Paul mics will not be at the AES. We tried but just can't get it done in time. We have been held back by ITT Cannon for custom switches, and it will take some time for the custom Jensen Transformers to be made. Unfortunately, not every vendor you need is willing to drop what they are doing for you, even if you are Stephen Paul!! :D

The VTB-2 is not the same as the VTB-1. The VTB-2 will be a 300V Tube gain circuit, with many more features that I just do not care to go into. I would rather it just wait until January NAMM and keep it under my belt because there is too much to talk about it and I do not want to give an edge to my competitors on this one.

The Toft site will be up in a couple of weeks, but Malcolm Toft designed the original Trident consoles and mixed the Beatles. He is an amazing designeer and engineer and has designed four models that PMI Audio will be distributing. The first unit will be out in 60 to 90 days, and the other three will folow every 90 days until all four units are out. From there, we will be doing a couple of consoles.

That's all for now....
 
" Stephen Paul mics will not be at the AES."

Well gives me more time to set aside cash for it...


"Malcolm Toft designed the original Trident consoles and mixed the Beatles." Who are the Beatles? Are those the guys that ripped off Oasis? :)

Ok so the Malcolm Toft product will be more of a highend product like the Stephen Paull then...

The first Mic Pre I bought (and returned for an Avalon) was the Oram Microphone workstation...I thought he claimed that that was supposed to sound like the Trident...I hope thats not what it sounds like cause I hated the MWS...now I have the Avalon 737 (which is a bit too neutral sounding for my needs) and an Brent Averill API 312 which I just got...

I'm gonna see what AES has to bring but the pre's that are on my list so far are the Sytek, RNP, Pheonix Audio Drs-2, and Groove Tubes Vipre... unless this Toft one suprises me...

Thanks Alan!
 
Nice pre's man... that API will KILL with a Beyer M-88 or Sennheiser 441 or 421 on a dirty guitar cabinet.
If you ever wanna sell it, look me up.
Its a good snare pre too. Kinda thick in a way.
 
etherize said:


I'm gonna see what AES has to bring but the pre's that are on my list so far are the Sytek, RNP, Pheonix Audio Drs-2, and Groove Tubes Vipre... unless this Toft one suprises me...

Thanks Alan!
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Stop by our booth at AES # 1857 under the PMI Audio Group listing. All the Toft will be there, and we can tell you the story of John Oram, who never worked for Trident, nor did he ever have any design that made it on a Trident console. I will go into it more if you want at the show.
 
This thread seems to be three or four threads in one.

One point on "Darrin's" comments about Fletcher (in case anybody cares):

I don't know Fletcher, but I've read what he's written on r.a.p. and elsewhere for years. Fletcher is almost pathologically incapable of avoiding saying what he really thinks. The notion that he would twist his opinions to fit some elaborate calculation of profit margin on different pieces of gear is absurd.

That doesn't mean you have to agree with what he thinks ... but don't have any doubt that he really thinks it.
 
Well, let's expand this free-ranging thread a bit further.

Unfortunately, I can only get to AES when it is on the east coast. But, Alan, I would love to have inside scoop on John Oram.

A few years ago, Sweetwater got a swetheart deal to be the exclusive Oram dealer in the USA, and as a result pushed the Oram line like crazy. They were constantly mentioning Oram and Trident in the same sentence. If you called to inquire about almost anything, chances are you would get a "gentle" push towards an Oram product.

More recently, after dropping the line when they couldn't make enough sales, their salesmen are just as eager to trash it if you should happen to ask if they still carry it. (Anyone surprised?)

At one point, after being overwhelmed with all the hype, I actually purchased an oram stereo mic pre with EQ on E-bay for a pretty cheap price. I was not impressed with the sound, and I was extremely disappointed in the overall build quality.

So, if you have a moment - I'd love to hear what you know about Mr. Oram and his products.
 
littledog said:
So, if you have a moment - I'd love to hear what you know about Mr. Oram and his products.
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Well John is a designer, but the way he builds is just not very good. Most of his products have had major difficulties for years. He has been through several distributors because after a distributor signs a deal with him, they find out about his products and his service, then they drop the line to try and get rid of it.

John never had anything to do with Trident, but he claims he does, and that is just not so. I have spoke with all of the Trident people who were the original employees, and they all say the same thing. John and Malcolm were friends once, there was a very bad falling out, and John took it personal.

After Sweetwater, John hooked up with Zzounds as the distributor. That too failed, but a guy who worked there named Mark Lierely hooked up with John. Somehow, Mark obtained an expired Trident Audio Developments trademark for the USA via the internet somehow. They can't use the name in the UK, only the USA as a result of this questionable registration. Somehow John provided Mark, or Mark gave false information to get the trademark. They both tried to sue me when we brought out the Trident-MTA products two years ago from Fletcher Electro Acoustics.

I had an attorney track his trademark claim. After they received a letter from my attorney saying that we would challenge their registration if they did not back off, they dropped the lawsuit and have never said a word since.

Since the Trident stuff is simply not a Trident without Malcolm Toft, we said they can keep the name if they want because the real Trident is dead. Anything put out by them as Trident is just cheap junk, and not built in the manner that it should be to be called a real Trident.

That is most of the story, but it gets more deep. Anyway, Malcolm is now doing his own thing and the products are amazing. They will be out soon and people will judge for themselves. They start at $899.99 for a dual channel mic amp with 2 4 band sweepable EQ, and at $1299.99, there is a dual channel mic pre, 4 band EQ, and a remake of the "original" Trident FET Stereo Compressor. The EQ is a real Trident 80B EQ, but the mic amp is a Burr Brown design. You just can't make the original Trident mic amp, and you would not want to...it is way too noisy and had no head room.

The Toft ATC-2 and three other models will on the booth.
 
Sounds like Oram's behaviour deserves adding an "s" to the begining of
Trident to become the "Strident" product line.
Those situations are a PITA.

Chris
 
Thanks for the enlightening post, Alan. I hadn't a clue about any of this. It would be interesting to hear from Mr. O himself to see how he justifies this bizarre situation...
 
Oddly enough, I met Fletcher last week at a studio gig he was doing at Qdivision to pick up an RNC I was desperate for. I was meeting him at 09:30 and had a 10:00 session 14 miles away, so we couldn't talk long. He does do a dreat Bob Dylan impression. I will say this though, they are mercenaries all right. A 14 mile drive on a Sunday morning at a site he had to be at anyway, and they charged me *shipping*. Next time, I think I'll plan better and email macmidimusic.-Richie
 
Richie, I'd bring that up with Fletcher, they probably weren't thinking it
through and had made out the invoice already.
He and Jay were great to deal with when I bought my RNC.

Chris

P.S. At the very least, go to his forum and ask LOTS of questions!
(heh, heh)
 
Oh, I brought it up, alright, Chess, at first they wanted $17.99, but I weasel'd them down a bit. No mistake or oversight was involved. And with all due respect to Alan, It's occasionally refreshing to have a reviewer trash a piece of gear. In time, the piece of gear will prove itself or not, and we'll know whether Fletcher speaks sooth or shill. In the end, the gear will speak for itself. One thing I've found is that if almost everybody on this board likes (or hates) a piece of gear, where there's smoke, there's probably fire.-Richie
 
The smartest business policy is to be customer service oriented,
like "someone" else posting in this thread.
The pro audio pool is very small indeed and word spreads quickly.

Chris
 
Richard Monroe said:
Oddly enough, I met Fletcher last week at a studio gig he was doing at Qdivision to pick up an RNC I was desperate for. I was meeting him at 09:30 and had a 10:00 session 14 miles away, so we couldn't talk long. He does do a dreat Bob Dylan impression. I will say this though, they are mercenaries all right. A 14 mile drive on a Sunday morning at a site he had to be at anyway, and they charged me *shipping*. Next time, I think I'll plan better and email macmidimusic.-Richie
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id be kissing the ass of the man that got me the RNC i needed:rolleyes: ;)
 
I would've, Gidge, but I couldn't afford the charge.-Richie
 
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