Most overpaid and underskilled guitarists....

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......AMEN......!
...what I'm sayin is this...have ANY of you ever sat in a room with any of these 'no-talent' players with just a couple of guitars and jammed?.......
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lord yes, i've interviewed most likely over 500 guitar players over the years...

some better than i, most wanna be, some needed equip but were very good, some had nice equip but sucked...

it's true though, take away all the effect and 75% sound rough, like in diamonds "as not to offend anyone" peace again...
 
cavedog101 said:
......AMEN......!








its a good thing that no one here makes a penny doin this cause then you'd all be on this list....................



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That hit me just right

:D :D :D :D LMAO

F.S.:eek:
 
What about that "bandages" song who the hell is that? There is a whole brigade of white stripe sounding bands out. Must be the flavor of the year for the labels.


Think how much money they save in production;)


F.S.
 
Dethska said:
It took me a year to "get" the White Stripes, but I now think that the "talent" of that band now exceeds anything done by the Foo Fighters
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Well, with that theory, I should be rich & famous any day now... :D
 
I didnt know that you had to be a great guitar player to make good music! I like the white stripes a lot. I like Jimmy Hendrix a lot as well. I understand that some people can be overrated on guitar, but what does that have to do with the music.

Most people posting on this thread sound like they can't respect someone who doesn't do an increadible solo or riff in the songs they create. The white stripes dont do all that and the drummer hardly does a fill (if ever). Try making a good song with out those flourishes, yeah its a lot harder than it sounds, lol obviously. The reason why you guys arent making all the money with them is because your songs in general aren't as good, it's not just your guitar playing. Same with me!
All I'm saying is, that there is more to making a good song than the difficulty of the notes you are playing. If you cant get over the fact that they are only using three chords, or one for that matter (notible mention, velvet underground) than fine, thats your preference. But dont go ripping someone becuase they aren't doing something increadibly hard, they arent trying to do that (most of the time), this proves that you are misunderstanding these artists and your missing the point of the music, its an expression.

Feel free to argue with me all you want, but know that you can never win this argument, you can only define your preference, which makes for good convorsation, but it also shows your inability to understand the expressions of some of these artists.

Modus
 
hmmmm

well i feel that sometimes people just dont get the point of music,

Just because someone records it doesnt mean that someone will buy it. so to call someone overpaid..well its not there fault.

To judge the skill and validity of other peoples talents is a lesson in futility.....

I have a few degrees in music and consider myself a skilled guitar player in many styles,

some of the best times i have had was having 4 hour jam sessions with probably some of the top players at Berklee school of music in Boston...and we would play something we would call Lunch music (out to lunch...get it LOL )....

I personally would play guitar, trumpet, drums, trombone...all in the same tune LOL...

some music was written some was not....

It was the was a blast to see probably 30 people trying to look in the little window to see what was going on...some would get it some would not.

We really used to love to Fu*k with people with our music...totally twist people...it was part of our fun LOL

I will have to post a clip...sucky recording quality but you will get the idea.

Music is an expression how can you judge someones expression.... music is not a contest. Its an art, something that you give from yourself. If someone does not like it thats there problem. If someone can make money from it i say go for it.....

Sorry for the rant......

Just figured I would add to it....
 
Yeah! lets get him playing some van halen style licks in there it would sound way better!

See how silly that sounds. I mean really, thats such a ridiculous statement.

I garantee U2 wouldn't sound as good without the edge, I think he compliments the music perfectly with his guitar playing and for that I say the Edge is a great guitar player.

I thought the Edge was most known for being a little different than everyone else not being a guitar technique god. I think you guys are misunderstanding why some of these people are getting praised.

Modus
 
Henri Devill said:
Steve Miller!! His whole career is a mistery!Can't play,can't sing and can't write.. he has taken being shitty to a new level:D



Don
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you have never heard steve do "come on in my kitchen"
,have you?
that cat put out some of the best recordings ever!if you wanna get schooled on good guitar tone,listen to jungle love.
a lot of folks dont know it(because steve was not a show off,he played for the song),but steve is one of the best guitarist
ever!you would feel differently if you had a chance to see him live!
i used to consider him a mediocre player,but seeing him live was impressive.give him a second chance man,you will be glad you did!
 
Modus said:
Yeah! lets get him playing some van halen style licks in there it would sound way better!

See how silly that sounds. I mean really, thats such a ridiculous statement.

I garantee U2 wouldn't sound as good without the edge, I think he compliments the music perfectly with his guitar playing and for that I say the Edge is a great guitar player.

I thought the Edge was most known for being a little different than everyone else not being a guitar technique god. I think you guys are misunderstanding why some of these people are getting praised.

Modus
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The Edge had never even picked up a guitar until he joined U2. He simply doesn't know how to play. I'm not saying that what he plays doesn't sound good, I like a lot of it. But, he has no idea what he's doing. It's mostly just sustain and effects.
 
even if he programs a robot to play his guitar for him, i still am missing the point where that makes him overpaid for what he does. I mean is that not a skill or does he have to play something hard to earn his money?

He doesn't know how to play? Who is that on the records then?what exactly are you saying?

Just admit it, your talking out your poop shoot.

Modus
 
Unsprung said:
As I've discussed at the POD Talk web site, I'm finding out that a lot of the "great guitar songs" are more about tone, than ability or skill...so it seems. I figure if I actually took the time to learn chords, other than Barre chords, I could be a "furly dangerous guitar player." At least that's the joke that I like to use.
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I'm going to have to disagree with this. Sure, you may be able to get in the general ballpark as far as tone goes, but this doesnt mean we won't be able to distinguish between your playing and the guitarist who originally played the song.

I've read many times about respected guitarists being able to pick up any old beat up piece of crap guitar and make it sound great even if it wasnt plugged into an amp.

Good guitar playing exists in only two places: The ears and the fingers. The tone of the guitar has little to do with it.

Cy
 
The subject shouted out Kirk Hamett.. I guess it's too obvious to even mention..

Kirk sucks.
 
Modus said:
even if he programs a robot to play his guitar for him, i still am missing the point where that makes him overpaid for what he does. I mean is that not a skill or does he have to play something hard to earn his money?

He doesn't know how to play? Who is that on the records then?what exactly are you saying?

Just admit it, your talking out your poop shoot.

Modus
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Overpaid is only part of what this thread is about. The other part is "underskilled." I think that what the Edge does with U2 is good sounding stuff, but if you took him out of that element he'd be lost.

Stevie Ray Vaughn went into the studio and played on David Bowie songs and sounded just as good as he did on his own songs. That's a great guitar player.
 
You are misunderstanding the word skilled, i think the word you are talking about is versatile. This thread isn't about being skilled at playing other genre's of music, becuase if it is, then sure i would tend to agree that the edge probably isn't to versatile.

Modus
 
I think to have a relevant discussion like this, everyone has to agree on which aspects of good guitarmanship are up for debate. Some different aspects that come to mind are:

taste
speed
articulation
songwriting
arranging
sense of rythm
use of theory
improvisational skill
tone
unique style

I'm sure we could think of more....

My point is, a great guitarist may demonstrate proficiency in all these areas. I think a guitarist that demonstrates unusual proficiency in only one or two may also be great.

Example: I don't think either Andy Summers or the Edge are paticularly gifted technical players. I don't think either of them are particularly good improvisors either. But they are both masters of taste. They play (or don't play) exactly what a song calls for.

SRV had a great style and tone, but wasn't a particularly good songwriter...

EVH has unique style and is probably the best improvisor in rock guitardom, but his theory isn't that deep.

Bottom line: I think determining wether a guitarist is "great" or not is all about context. Did that guitar player take the musical situation they found/put themselves in and make it something special?

The Edge could never step in Van Halen and fill Eddie's shoes, no doubt. But the reverse is true as well.

Aaron
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The edge is not my favorite player nor is U2 one of my favorite groups. But how can anyone throw stones at a guy who has reached the level all of us dream about. The sound that sells or doesn't sell is what determines who is over paid and/ or under skilled. Keith Richards is a perfect example.
 
The Edge came along at exactly the right time for the musical times he was faced with.
He was the only guy playing like that at the time (except maybe Charlie Burchill of Simple Minds).

Is he a great technician? No

But what he did was not play like Clapton, Townshend, VH, Jimi etc etc - and that's part of why U2 records sold zillions 'cos he didn't sound like anyone else.

As for overpaid and underskilled, Slash is the hands down winner. Completely over his head and incapable of even the most basic skills.
 
I agree, Slash was very basic, nothing special... cool dude though...

The Edge is very original, his sound fits the band, and is very filling for basically a 3 piece band...

I think Alex Lifeson is underated....



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i must input that while i consider slash not impressive at all technically (i could pick up just about anything he did pretty quickly, and i don't consider myself any better than somewhere in the average range for someone who enjoys playing guitar), he DOES have great articulation-all his notes were very crisp-you can hear it on the recordings, he just has strong fingers, perhaps, but this means something as far as the tone elicited. maybe effects did most of it. i'm not sure. i think he has SOME ability, though speed and complexity and variety while playing are not among them, as far as i can tell.
 
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