Most overpaid and underskilled guitarists....

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Aaron Cheney said:






"...EVH has unique style and is probably the best improvisor in rock guitardom, but his theory isn't that deep."

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In EVH's defense, he has been playing AROUND that no good talentless bass player. Listen to ALL of their records. The bass player rarely plays more than 4 notes. EVH has bailed him out for years to the point that in some later records EVH has snuck in the studio late at night to re-record the bass! EVH with the right bass and drum players would be unleashed. That would be great.
 
While I could agree that Michael Anthony is a very average bassist, I have to say that AVH's drum sound and technique are at least as important to the VH sound as Eddie is. His syncopated style has spruced up a lot of ho-hum 4/4 songs and given Eddie a very cool rythmic platform from which to work.
Take the solo section from "Jump" for example. He can hide a 4/4 as good as anybody in the biz (except for maybe Kenny Aronoff!).

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Aaron Cheney said:
I think to have a relevant discussion like this, everyone has to agree on which aspects of good guitarmanship are up for debate. Some different aspects that come to mind are:

taste
speed
articulation
songwriting
arranging
sense of rhythm
use of theory
improvisational skill
tone
unique style
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Phil Keaggy excels in every one of these categories, but you're probably saying "Phil who?"

He will make you want to remove the top of your skull, take out your brain, and set it on the chair next to you.


Also, I am a big fan of anything the Edge did in the Eighties, but after that blech.

And duh, it wasn't about his technique, but his groundbreaking use of delay effects and minimalist approach to SONGS that was what I loved.
 
Damn, I can't believe it....
this thread didn't have the token "Jimi Hendrix sucks worst of all and was overpaid" post on it. I was ready to chime in and defend Jimi.


So, I'll just chime in and say to those of you that are THINKIN' about posting that. Jimi rocked and he is selling more records now than when he was alive...so SHUTTUP!

LOL...now i feel better
 
maestro_dmc said:
Phil Keaggy excels in every one of these categories, but you're probably saying "Phil who?"
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I know who Phil Keagy is. I definitely like his acoustic playing much better than his electric playing. He is very is tasteful and he's quick, but his vibrato is the "warbly" variety that drives me nuts.

Aaron
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He is very is tasteful and he's quick, but his vibrato is the "warbly" variety that drives me nuts
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Yeah I hate that warbly vibrato too, but I can't think of anything
that sounds like that of Phil's.

He can play in just about any style, and fit right into it, maybe you heard something where warbly vibrato fit the song? Maybe I have a different idea of warbly.
Kirk Hammett: Bad warbly vibrato
Stevie Ray: Excellent soulful vibrato

One of my all time favorite electric guitar solo's is by Phil (Carry On),

I think he qualifies as Underratted and Unrecognized

As an acoustic player, he is incredible. I've seen him live three times, and still amazes me each time.

I feel like I'm a pretty decent guitar player, but he makes me feel like a beginner.
 
Aaron Cheney said:
While I could agree that Michael Anthony is a very average bassist, I have to say that AVH's drum sound and technique are at least as important to the VH sound as Eddie is. His syncopated style has spruced up a lot of ho-hum 4/4 songs and given Eddie a very cool rythmic platform from which to work.
Take the solo section from "Jump" for example. He can hide a 4/4 as good as anybody in the biz (except for maybe Kenny Aronoff!).

Aaron
http://www.voodoovibe.com
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Yep. you nailed it. I had a pro band for 20 years (on and off). It was me (all guitars) and twin brothers (bass and drums). I will tell you that working with brothers is hell. They always stick together on good things and fight like hell on bad things. Remove Michael Anthony from VH and the brothers can go much further in their musical direction. EVH has been held back too long and should work with other musicians.
 
acorec said:
In EVH's defense, he has been playing AROUND that no good talentless bass player. Listen to ALL of their records. The bass player rarely plays more than 4 notes. EVH has bailed him out for years to the point that in some later records EVH has snuck in the studio late at night to re-record the bass! EVH with the right bass and drum players would be unleashed. That would be great.
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But it fit the music and that is all they needed.. What good would it do to have Les Claypool playing for Van Halen?
 
Without sounding like some stupid kid obsessed with rock, Kurt Cobain may not have been a great guitarist but he was good enough and his songwriting was exceptional (yes I do have all their albums, not just Smells Like Teen Spirit ;))

If there's one lot of people who piss me off, Busted. They are...sooo...... untalented. The music is terrible, the lyrics are terrible, and they can't play. Next on my list is Avril Lavigne (although millions of you are going to kill me for that, and Complicated was quite good - but come on, she can't sing and she doesn't write most of the stuff)

Oh wait, she aint a guitarist ;)
 
Also, the most underrated guitarists are spanish guitarists. Recuerdos De La Alhambra is one hell of a hard piece if played at full speed, I don't know how they do it. They really are amazing but I couldn't name one. Thats the pity :(

Gotta love Django Reinhart too :)
 
well the whole reason I posted this thread is bc I was reading some paparazzi type mag that had a list of the "Most Technically Skilled and Gifted Guitarists of the 20th Century". I think we can all agree that in purely TECHNICAL skill, Satch Vai n Johnson rank at the top. But NO, Kurt Cobain, Carlos Santana, Clapton, and Harrison topped the list. I mean, I HATE listeneing to Vai and Satch and all of that, I'm purely a Nirvana freak, but I will concede that on a list with that title, Kurt Cobain does not belong on it. He was cool, but DEFINITELY not a virtuoso. So here's MY version of the list in no particular order

1. Joe Satriani
2. Steve Vai
3. Eric Johnson
4. Brad Paisley
5. Eddie Van Halen (yeah whatever, I hate him too)
6. Yngwie Malmsteen
7. The dudes from Skynyrd


Now if I had to make a list of guitarists with the most soul, or their effect on the music industry, most of those guys would not be on the list. However, Carlos Santana sux dick is completely awful and does not deserve to be on tv radio or any other media outlet
 
Every chord playing punk and grunge guitarist from the last 20 years is overpaid.
 
How can someone possibly put Clapton on this list? Idiocy.

And as to the clown that suggests that Johnson, Vai and Satriani are nothing but technique, I mock your lack of awareness. Few songs with lyrics evoke the pain that is aparent in Satriani's "Crush of Love" or the purity of love during the climactic final solo of "Always with You, Always with Me". I have rarely if ever heard the uniting of technique and melodic expression as one might hear on "Cliffs of Dover".

It is possible to be technically astute and emote. Ask any jazz guitarist.

You want guitar wank-off? There's your Nirvana. You want three barre chords and a snear? There's Billy Joe.

You want to hear overrated, undertalented guitar players? Easy. I give you Paul Stanley and Ace Frehley. If it weren't for the makeup and fire, KISS would've never made the map. Christ, Ann & Nancy WIlson are better guitar players than those two. (Ann & Nancy could probably kick there asses, too). I can think of a dozen pair of guitar players that make the Kiss guys look like the posers they are.

Sorry - this is personal to me.
 
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AlChuck said:
I thought they split up recently...
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Somewhere in San Dimas a guy just left his wife... the guy that slow danced with her once at an 8th grade lights-on dance.
 
Well I think that Mick Mars prolly was over paid. :D

Brain, I don't personally think that Kurt was famous for his guitar playing. It was adequate for his style of music, which I guess, goes for all who have ever picked up a guitar.
 
scottboyher said:
Well I think that Mick Mars prolly was over paid. :D

Brain, I don't personally think that Kurt was famous for his guitar playing. It was adequate for his style of music, which I guess, goes for all who have ever picked up a guitar.
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WE MAY HAVE A WINNER!

If we consider the title of the thread OVERPAID, then we may have to reach consensus on Mick Mars.

Can someone second the motion?
 
And the moral of the story is: Don't believe what you read in paparazzi magazines. ;)

Modus
 
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