Mixing 50+ Tracks....

[DrewPeterson7]

just to clarify...

when i'm talking about using multiple mics i'm thinking about this technique.

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No argument, that's, if not THE, then at least one appropriate way to use multiple mics on one amp and keep everything phase-coherent.

However, just as importantly, that's also NOT what Corgan/Vig did on this album. As Vig states, a couple tracks had more than one mic, but most were just a single mic chosen to accentuate the frequency range they were after.

Using multiple microphones with complimentary "colors" and complimentary positions is a very good way to get big guitar sounds. However, paradoxically, that's NOT the best way to go if you're after a heavily layered production - you want a whole bunch of SMALL guitar sounds that fit together into something big.

I'd be more inclined to use 2 mics on a guitar if you were making a record with just two guitar performances, hard L and R, for a total of four tracks than I would if I planned on having 10-20 tracks of guitar playing at a time. In fact, for the stuff I write I've taken to just doing two takes with a single SM57 for rhythm guitar, to save "space" in the mix for my lead/melody guitars.

It's a cliche, but it's true - "If everything is big, nothing is.

 

[themdla]

No argument, that's, if not THE, then at least one appropriate way to use multiple mics on one amp and keep everything phase-coherent.

However, just as importantly, that's also NOT what Corgan/Vig did on this album. As Vig states, a couple tracks had more than one mic, but most were just a single mic chosen to accentuate the frequency range they were after.

Using multiple microphones with complimentary "colors" and complimentary positions is a very good way to get big guitar sounds. However, paradoxically, that's NOT the best way to go if you're after a heavily layered production - you want a whole bunch of SMALL guitar sounds that fit together into something big.

I'd be more inclined to use 2 mics on a guitar if you were making a record with just two guitar performances, hard L and R, for a total of four tracks than I would if I planned on having 10-20 tracks of guitar playing at a time. In fact, for the stuff I write I've taken to just doing two takes with a single SM57 for rhythm guitar, to save "space" in the mix for my lead/melody guitars.

It's a cliche, but it's true - "If everything is big, nothing is.

Nice! very succinct

the last GTR tracking i did was exactly that, 2 mics, 57 close, LDC room. one take/side for a total of 4 GTR Tracks....

"sounds good to my ear" (said in heavy swedish accent)

 

[themdla]

thats pretty mad that amount of guitars, standard for me would be to quad track rhythms and dual track leads, and my projects an avarage mix will hit about 50 tracks all in including returns and individualld drums,

default mic technique would be the fredman technique

mics setup as below, then either a,b or c on the horizontal axis to get the sound i want, using two sm57s,

is that one on axis and one at 45 degrees?

are they both the same mic?

 

[BenignVanilla]

Butch Vig is my hero.