mixer questions and all equipment

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Hi as you think im new here and i dont have grate english which im sorry for ^^ and
i have couple doubts/questions about my set of equipment which i will have when i get rid of my doubts, mostly about mixer. This is what i want to have and what for:

(couple of this things i have now so i just write * on it)

DAW - *ableton live, *massive NI synthesizer etc vst
*computer
interface - *audio (audiotrack maya u5) midi(any of midi controller will be connect by USB to computer)
midi controllers - *DIY converted acoutic to electronic drums by triggering with MEGADRUM trigger to midi converter, *Behringer U-CONTROL UMX610 with 8 knobs for macro controll in NI massive , foot controller for looping
mixer - behringer xenyx 1204fx USB with effect processor behringer.com/EN/Products/1204FX.aspx

set up is for drums and electronic sythesize music and i want all of equipment to use live as well with looping everything and modulating sounds

NOW i dont know i need to have mixer but i really want to use it and the effect processor on diffrent things but i dont know it is possible. Main thing is: mixer is working as i connect diffrent thing to hes channels but i need to connect my midi controllers (which are without sound modules and i want to use computer with DAW as sound module) to a computer. I want to play on drums midi controller and keyboard midi controller and will be able to mix or/and using FX processor on diffrent sounds but i dont know this mixer with USB connection to computer is able to do this. Maybe i need some more gear? which? is it possibble? how? :D maybe this mixer will be able to controll virual mixer in DAW ? what about FX processor? i dont have this mixer yet maybe u have some better ideas for equipment?

so main thing Will i be able to use this mixer and its properties on sounds playing on midi controllers with computer by usb? how connect it?

say everything u want and ask questions and maybe we will find a way to work this as i imagine

-edit-

maybe i need a audio interface with a lot of outputs which i connect to a mixer?


Thanks ! ;)
 
Phew!
I am going to be "rude" to be kind. Your English is so bad you are all but incomprehensible to me.

You have thrown out a lot of equipment and software names but without any clear idea of your purpose and you seem to be using a lot of words to say very little.

So, I am going to guess at what you mean and then. IN A FEW SHORT PHRASES tell me if I am on the right track?

NI Massive is a powerful software synth, ok? That runs in the computer* and whilst you COULD play it from a qwerty keyboard and mouse, for a proper musical performance you need a MIDI keyboard. Fine, but do not get that Behringer. I am not a keyboard player but I think you need something more robust. M-Audio make a decent 49 key unit but there are plenty of others by Novation, Korg, Roland..

To get the synth sounds OUT of the PC yes, you need an interface and since one of the prime requirements of playing a "soft synth" is very low latency it needs to be a good one. I shall suggest the Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 which, by the way comes with Kontakt Player and 3G of samples. Hold off on Massive maybe?

Next you need some monitors to hook up to the interface to hear things on. If you are just recording and playing at home "studio nearfield" monitors would be fine although if you want to go loud and with heavy bass and drum sounds you will need pretty expensive monitors with 6, maybe 8 inch (150-200mm) bass drivers. If you intend to use the system live you will need a keyboard amplifier or run everything through a house PA.

If what I have said so far makes sense please try to respond as briefly as you can, sticking only to the matters raised and see if we can work through all this.


*It has to be said however that using a computer to generate sounds live is rather "dangerous"!

Dave.
 
i just want to know do this midi controllers which will be playing synthesize in massive sounds in ableton connected usb to computer will work fine with this usb fx processor mixer as it works with for example 8 microphones connected via xlr ?
 
Hi,
I think I get what you're asking. Midi controllers and audio interfaces are two different things.

You can use the mixer as an audio interface and, at the same time, use midi controllers to control your synths (like massive).
You can not control massive with and audio mixer.

Hope that's useful.
 
To PLAY Massive you need a keyboard like this..
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/manuals/070921_KyStuMac_UG_EN01.pdf

To HEAR Massive you need an Audio Interface and a fairly good one at that. I do not think the one you posted will be good enough.

So, Humanic, can you reply that you understand THIS last post, say nothing more and then perhaps we can move on to help with the rest of the system?

Dave. (Oh! And thank for the input Steen!)
 
hmm maybe u think im too newbie. No. Maybe beacause of my english ^^ i know what for are midi controllers and interfaces and leave brands and models etc i know too Steenamaaro that i cant control massive with mixer(its not midi controller) but i want to mix and process effects on this what came from massive and my computer but i want do this as multichannel i know i can connect OUT of PC to a mixer and then it will work but with all sounds in one. I dont want that. Look for example:

midi controllers are connected to a sound module with multi timbral THEN it goes to a mixer for multichannel recording and now i can use here a effect processor and all what mixer have.


with my set, computer is sound module and midi controllers are connected to it. Now this USB mixer will be connected via USB with computer but i dont know it will work as i imagine with ableton as all diffrent channels you know like multi timbral in sound module. I can have this mixer very cheap so thats why im looking for it i know i can have something like mixer but it will be midi controller and it will work with DAW mixer. Maybe i can control with it via USB digital mixer in ableton?

Other question: what for is usb in this mixer or similiar with usb interface too?

youtube.com/watch?v=vV4yebIievU
i want to do something similiar to this artist but without beatbox and mic staff
multi channel live looping system

and YES i know i can use super expensive midi controllers :D
 
humanic said:
hmm maybe u think im too newbie. No. Maybe beacause of my english ^^ i know what for are midi controllers and interfaces and leave brands and models etc i know too Steenamaaro that i cant control massive with mixer(its not midi controller) but i want to mix and process effects on this what came from massive and my computer but i want do this as multichannel i know i can connect OUT of PC to a mixer and then it will work but with all sounds in one. I dont want that. Look for example:
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Ah, sorry. I understand now.
I haven't scrutinised that particular mixer, but they behringers generally (always) have stereo effects.
Even if the mixer has multichannel capability, it wont have separate multichannel processing.

Some of them allow for two separate effects at one, and sends from each channel so you could make use of that, but it's really not ideal.
A better way would be to just use ableton for your processing.

If you need advanced routing you could research soundflower, but I don't think you should.
 
humanic, have you tried running what you want to ask through Google Translate? It may help to clear some things. What is your native language?

Oh, and by the way, welcome!
 
I think what you are asking is if you cold run your virtual synth through the FX of the Xenyx. I don't think so, the Xenyx doesn't have that capability (to channel USB from computer to input channels throurgh FX back out via USB). QUite honestly, the FX in that mixer are cheap-sounding, at best. You'd do much better with VST plugins on the audio output from your virtual synth.
 
mjbphotos said:
I think what you are asking is if you cold run your virtual synth through the FX of the Xenyx. I don't think so, the Xenyx doesn't have that capability (to channel USB from computer to input channels throurgh FX back out via USB). QUite honestly, the FX in that mixer are cheap-sounding, at best. You'd do much better with VST plugins on the audio output from your virtual synth.
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Youd right, that henyx fx are cheap and i will be using vst fx too and control them by midi controllers but there is a couple fine simple fx in xenyx thats why i ask. Mostly is just about using channels, multichannel like sort of midi controller for virtual mixer. Just to have some part of drums, keyboards, basslines on the mixer channels seperatly to eq it differently and use this couple of simple fx which he have, can i have what i want on different channels by USB?. Im sure i dont need that for home studio but i can get it really cheap so i wondering just about technical things.
 
im seriously think about making mixer to midi controller DIY project its not that hard for example with andurino or inside of some cheap midi controller. Just wise sodering. I know i will have what i want that way, cause i will have a controller for virual mixer.
 
humanic said:
im seriously think about making mixer to midi controller DIY project its not that hard for example with andurino or inside of some cheap midi controller. Just wise sodering. I know i will have what i want that way, cause i will have a controller for virual mixer.
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You want to use hardware to be able to control ableton? Look at Behringer BCF2000.

This is purely a control surface though. Audio does not go through it.
 
Steenamaroo said:
You want to use hardware to be able to control ableton? Look at Behringer BCF2000.

This is purely a control surface though. Audio does not go through it.
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yeah its very nice but i rather bcr2000 and its still more expensive than this mixer
 
Again I don't really understand but if you want to get up to 8 tracks individually out of a PC via USB to feed a mixer look at this...
ESI - GIGAPORT HD+

Dave.
 
ecc83 said:
Again I don't really understand but if you want to get up to 8 tracks individually out of a PC via USB to feed a mixer look at this...
ESI - GIGAPORT HD+

Dave.
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That will do what you're asking for, as Dave says, but I don't see any reason why you'd want that unless you have racks of, dare I say it, proper processing equipment.

I also doubt you want an audio interface for ins and a separate one for outs. This usually doesn't work.
If you want an audio interface with 8 line outputs take a look at the motu 828 range.

If this is all to be able to use the behringer stereo effects I'd definitely stop and do some serious reading. ;)
 
Steenamaroo said:
That will do what you're asking for, as Dave says, but I don't see any reason why you'd want that unless you have racks of, dare I say it, proper processing equipment.

I also doubt you want an audio interface for ins and a separate one for outs. This usually doesn't work.
If you want an audio interface with 8 line outputs take a look at range.

If this is all to be able to use the behringer stereo effects I'd definitely stop and do some serious reading. ;)
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as you say this is just for slow completing really proper equipement other reasons is just searching for positivs as i say i can have it almost free but now i dont see this will be pay back so i do a diy mixer to midi controller or something
 
ecc83 said:
To PLAY Massive you need a keyboard like this..
http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/manuals/070921_KyStuMac_UG_EN01.pdf

To HEAR Massive you need an Audio Interface and a fairly good one at that. I do not think the one you posted will be good enough.

So, Humanic, can you reply that you understand THIS last post, say nothing more and then perhaps we can move on to help with the rest of the system?

Dave. (Oh! And thank for the input Steen!)
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Sorry Dave. I didn't see this.
I think you had the right idea. :(
 
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