Midi is kicking my @$$ !!

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This should have been easy, and I should know how to do it by now, BUT!! Something’s wrong. I tried to record a keyboard part via midi controller last night and here’s what I got: Either no midi recorded in Sonar, midi locking up - ie tones not stopping – panic button material, and/or sound playing back in the module about a minute after it was played on the keyboard. Here’s how I had it set up: Midi out of 15 year old Roland weighted keyboard controller to midi in of a Delta 1010 into Sonar receiving on Ch 2, sending on Ch 2. Out of 1010 port into midi in of sound module (Roland V-1010 – something like that – fairly new). I even went in to global options and deselected all channels but 2. I turned off receive on everything but note, controller (even shut that off at one point), and pitch wheel (which we didn’t use anyway). My setup: Delta 1010, Sblive (I tried them both – same result – I’m a little afraid that this is the problem), 1Ghz Intel, 256MB ram, 2 7200 40GBHD, Win2K, Sonar 1.3. I have 25 tracks of perfectly happy problem free audio on this project. Latency slider is at 8.5ms. I’m also thinking that my connections aren’t right somehow. Dunno. Suggestions? Setups?
 
Hmmmm. Tough one.

1. Have you tried playing the Midi sounds on the SB live? Do they work?

2.Can you disable the SB Live to see if there is a conflict?
 
I had a simailar problem until I realized that Ch 2 is being used by the system for existing midi sounds. Try channel 5 on the JV-1010 dial and in Sonar I/O. Run your keyboard into SoundBlaster (which is better for MIDI) SB to the JV (make sure the MIDI output in Sonar is set to the Roland Serial driver) JV audio output back to the Delta (which is better for audio). Arm recording on both MIDI and Audio, so you can Quantisize MIDI. Does that work? It's my 2nd post, so be gentle...
 
Run your keyboard into SoundBlaster (which is better for MIDI)
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Why? I dont get it.

The only thing the SBlive is used for should be soundfonts. If you dont use them the SBLive is pointless, unless you want to play a CD.
make sure the MIDI output in Sonar is set to the Roland Serial driver
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I dont think Chuck is using a Serial driver cable, so that isnt gonna work. I dont have a Delta, but I think the midi output should be set to the delta, not the Roland Serial driver.
 
Thanks for the response, guys. I was going to try, as my last resort, to read the manual, but I thought I'd try here first. The manual has a different cabling scenario than I have, so I'll start there, then poke thru the suggestions.
I've been doing Cakewalk for 5 years, mostly midi, and believe it or not, programming in piano roll view with the mouse for strings (certainly no substitute for the real thing David) and drums. But most of my drum sequencing was with a DrumKat, which was hooked up simply out of the Kat in to the SB, out of the SB into my drum module, while recording midi in Cakewalk. I never used a thru, which is what the manual is suggesting I do in this keyboard setup. Onward.
 
DavidK,
The SBLive is being used as a thru to pass and record the MIDI commands from the keyboard itself to the sound module.

The selection is labled "Serial" on the pull down MIDI menu after the Roland JV-1010 driver has been installed, not a serial cable. Kind of confusing but that's how Roland titled it.

OK?
 
Mr Martin (Do your friends call you Mr:) ) The SBLive is not needed, unless I am missing something here.

The Delta 1010 is Chuck's Midi Interface, (as well as audio), plain and simple. He is using standard midi cables, I assume.

A serial driver cable is totally different. It is for connecting directly to a PC, I think through a serial port. I dont think Chuck is doing this, so he doesnt want the Roland serial output a or b chosen, he wants the Delta 1010 output chosen, as well as the Delta input chosen.
The SBLive is being used as a thru to pass and record the MIDI commands from the keyboard itself to the sound module
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No, it is not. He is using the Delta interface I believe. The SB doesnt record midi commands, SONAR does. It then spits the commands back through the delta to the JV1010. It wont have anything to do with the SBcard. The SB is only used for Soundfonts. The Delta will sound much better, so why worry about the SB.

Chuck, you dont need to do all that disabling mumbo-jumbo, that is not gonna help. In sonar, go to Options/midi devices.
What is highlighted in those boxes??

Something to try:
Connect a midi cable from your controller (out) to the JV1010 (in). Does it work? If so, you know things are fine there. One step at a time...
 
OK DavidK. I give up. Maybe I'm not explaining it properly, but I have the same setup and I got it to work with the advice I gave.
I'm out.
 
Relax, Mr., We are all just seeking knowledge, it is not a competition.

Let make explain, for the sake of informing the forum:

A serial port interface is put on relatively inexpensive modules. The reason: so people do not have to cough up the dough for a midi interface. It is NOT a midi interface, it is not even MIDI, although midi works on it. As you now, there are no in and outs, a serial cable does both. Look on the back of the Module, it is not a midi port, it is a serial port. They are quite different

I believe you when you say it works. It is not the best way to go, and can have conflicts. Midi is better for the Roland. Who told me that? Roland did. I called them, and they do not recommend the serial deal. I have an Alesis Module as well, and Alesis said the same thing.

We have had several discussions here on this topic, and I believe the conclusion was to use the midi interface.

I dont even think the JV1010 ships with a Serial cable, not sure.

Chuck is trying to get his Midi working' not his Serial port. He has the midi interface already, it will make his life simpler if he can get it to work. If not, maybe he should try it your way. If you can get it working, that is the main thing, but he should try it the Midi way first.

Hold on a sec, be right back...
 
Oh Poop> I just read an article on serial and midi, cant find it.

Anyhoo, the point is to help Chuck. Serial, Midi, Shmidi, don't matter, just get the damn thing working and make purty Music.

Mr Martin, what is your setup? What type of music do you do? Cheers
 
Wow, look what I started...

Guys, let me throw a post up here tomorrow and let everyone know how it goes with the Cakewalk diagram...
To answer a few questions, last night I tried BOTH the SBlive (via the $29 midi/joystick cable - which was all I ever used up until my 1010 purchase) and the 1010 midi interface - with the same results.
Why do I have both cards running? Well, I have a Roland VS-880 Hard disk recorder that I've mothballed as my primary recording device, but am able to utilize as a control surface for Sonar. The software responds to movements on the 880 faders and pan pots. It's very cool and this is connected via the 1010 midi interface. My goal is to leave that connected and use the SBLive interface for midi input.

I'm thinking reconnecting via the manual's suggestion will help and if it does I'll post all the settings for my Home Recording/Cakewalk using brethren
 
HEY CHUCKU
sorry to hear about your problems,how about disabling your soundblaster for a bit and see if theres some kind of conflict with the midi stream betwixt the two cards.
As you know I am also running the 880(thanks to your help) in conjunction with a midisport 2x2 and it is working beeyooteefullee!
I have an audiophile 2496 which is also a midiman product and there have been no problems.
This is just a guess but I always find process of elimination to be the best way to get to the root of the problem.
Also is your 880 on its own channel not omni?
Your midi cables are good?
I've heard but I'm not sure that you can't run midi cables that are too long as this may cause a problem.
How about just for test purposes run the midi out from the keyboard to the midi in on the 1010 and the midi thru of the 1010 to your computer.
Just taking shots in the dark cause I owe you one.

BETTER LUCK SOON!!!!
 
Looks like the keyboard is the culprit...

I'm not having the problem anymore and I don't know how I fixed it. But what DID NOT work for me was the diagram in the Sonar manual for hooking up. What I ended up with was my initial setup (the same one I use for drum controller input):
Midi out from keyboard to midi in on soundcard. Midi out from sound card to midi in on sound module. I'm using the SBLive midi interface. I didn't use the thru on the sound module as recommended or the keyboard's midi in (this caused all kinds of loops and lockups).
In project options, midi input, I checked only the channel I was sending midi on. Echo on auto. I set the keyboard to send on that channel. I took the sound module out of the loop and triggered the SBLive synth. That worked, so I recorded midi. Then I hooked up the module and triggered it. I recorded more midi while triggering the module. All set.....HOWEVER, one of the keys on the keyboard stuck. Every time I played it, that note would not stop. I shut everything down and now the key works ok.
I think my friend's keyboard is the source of most of my trouble (it's over 15 years old and the only constant of my setup over the past 5 years and 4 versions of Cakewalk that always gives me some sort of midi problem).
Thanks for all the suggestions.
 
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