Mic Preamps?

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Now i have a few questions about Mic Preamps.

? Getting a mic preamp is confusing, i wanna know what it all means. Like when it says Tube Channel Mic Preamp, Dual Tube Channel Mic Preamp, Dual Analog Tube Mic Preamp, Or even a Dual Vacumm Tube Mic Preamp? What Makes each one so different?

? I'm looking at this Avalon VT-737SP it says it's a Mic Preamp, EQ and Compressor so does that mean i don't need to buy an EQ or Compressor or will it be a good idea to?

Please Write if u have any info.

Thanks
 
Hey Dude,
First the amp its self, this can be either valve (also called a vacuum tube) or solid state (built with transistors). There are advantages to both types, tubes tend to be warmer with nicer upper harmonic over tones and solid state amps tend to have a tighter bottom end.

The number of channels you want will depend on application. Two channels will allow you to do stereo recording (like if you are recording an orchestra and want to capture room ambiance as well the band). I’m very happy with a single channel for vocals.

Having stuff like tube emulators (in solid state amps), voice optimized EQ, compression, de-essers, and noise gates is also a good thing.

I have just upgraded from a Behringer Ultra Voice pro to a Focusrite Platinum Voice Master pro both of which have these capabilities. I do not usually use any external compression / eq even with the Behringer. The only thing I will ad is may be a little reverb (using a Midiverb4). At the end of the day the choice is yours, if you really like the sound of a particular bit of out board kit in preference to the one built into the pre…. go for it !

Hope this helps

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Yo hotsauce! Welcome to the board. Be wary of claims that something is a "tube preamp". Some higher end pres actually have vacuum tubes in the main power section, and others, often called hybrid designs, have a little tube in the front end with a variable drive control to overdrive a little on purpose to add selective distortion, sometimes called "warmth". In other words, they're trying to make it possible to dial up the sound of a real tube preamp. More importantly, this allows their marketing people to claim it is a "tube preamp", which is misleading. Don't become confused here. Some of the greatest pres in the world, including my Avalon, are solid state. Others have tubes, and they aren't better or worse, just different.
If the preamp has 2 separate sets of ins, outs, controls, and indicators, it will be called a dual channel preamp. These are good for stereo recording, where it helps to have 2 identical channels. If the pre has EQ and a compressor, it is called a channel strip. BTW, I assure you, when an Avalon says it's a tube preamp, it is, unlike many cheaper competitors.
Does this mean if it has compression, you don't need another compressor? Yes, if everything is running through that preamp. But you can't use the compressor in that preamp to compress the signal from another preamp, or another source, like you can with an outboard compressor. And not all compressors (or EQ or pres) are created equal. For instance, I own a Joemeek twinQ, which has a lovely optical compressor which is very agressive, and adds some color (there's that warmth again). It is almost like an effect, and I use it a lot. However, sometimes I want a cleaner sound with more subtle compression. For that, I disable the compressor in the Joemeek channel strip, and use an RNC compressor as an insert, and it sounds like a whole different preamp.
Be wary of one other thing. You are asking questions that show you are not particularly experienced with recording, but you are looking at expensive, high-end gear that many highly skilled home recorders wish they owned and can't afford. This tends to make them hostile, because they see some newb without a clue talking about the features of an Avalon, and they want to know if your rich mommy is just buying you stuff you don't have no idea how to use, and why don't they get one? In short, many people will come to the conclusion that you haven't paid enough dues to own an Avalon, or any other $1000+ preamp.
Well, I believe that an Avalon is a great preamp, and you can learn to record as well, and probably better, with a great preamp as a cheap one. So keep dreaming. If you can afford an Avalon, there are no better preamps, just different ones. Frankly, if I were going that route (I already did), I would make my first major preamp a nice clean solid state amp, like the Avalon AD2022 (I own one), and worry about tube preamps later. Best of luck to you. You should also look at other high-end designs, such as Great River, Earthworks, Pendulum, Toft Audio, John Hardy, DW Fearn, Davissound, and others. Check www.mercenary.com. Fletcher on this board is the guru there, and will be helpful if you really are committed to buying a top of the line preamp.-Richie
 
Ok!

Alright, from what i've been hearing, Each Preamp gives off a diffeent Taste Of sound. A dual Channel preamp would be used for a band or something, IF i perfer it that way, BUT it would be better to get a Single channel Preamp since im just recording Vocals RIGHT???? Correct me if im getting anything wrong Please.
So since Each preamp gives off a different taste of sound is there Anywhere i can hear Samples of different Mics and amps put together? So i can see what i like.
 
The biggest problem with listening to samples is that once the file is compressed enough, and the sampling rate lowered enough
to put it on line, the differences in good pres is glossed over, and the mic kind of takes over. Also, the sound of these high end pres is tremendously affected by the room, mic placement, the engineer's skill, the instrument, and the player. Do a search on the board for "the listening sessions", Dan's attempting to the best of his ability, to produce just the samples you are asking for under relatively controlled conditions. But don't be surprised if when the sound comes through your sound card to your monitors, a bunch of high-end pres all sound the same. (great)
Yeah, if you're just recording vox, you can use one channel. I still believe that you will eventually want to do something involving stereo recording, and 2 channel's are better than one, that's just my opinion.-Richie
 
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