Mic matching - Fact and Fancy

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Hmm, re-read your post, and realized you're talking about the group surrounding a pair of M-S setups. The problem I see is that the lobes of the figure 8's are supposed to be picking up the room, not the performers on the sides. So the usual purpose of M-S, varying the degree of room vs direct, is gonna be something else. It would be an interesting experiment though.

RD
 
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VTgreen81 said:
Thanks,

Hey Harvey, this is a little too freaky........

I'm listening to the Byrds greatest Hits, and just as I'm reading your post "It won't be wrong" starts.
Now is that some crazy coincidence or what?
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Hey did somebody mention the Byrds?
 

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Wow, that's a very early picture. Kinda looks like Ciro's.
 
just to point out to people starting to record in stereo-

instruments can get muddy and lost in your mix when stereo isnt placed properly.

heres an example of one of my mixes that had too many stereo acoustic guitar tracks at the same freq.

pretty self explanatory

generally wide acoustic guitar stereo tracks sound best alone (or minimal other partners) because they take up alot of the stereo width

just my observation :)

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Cool illustration, J. Reminds me of "The Art Of Mixing."
 
hey thanks...

yeah... I used a few ideas i saw on the net... us right-brained creatures need visuals in order the see what the hell is going on :)
 
true stereo

Besides panning, what else would you have to do with the 2 mic tracks to achieve true stereo?

How much panning is natural? How can you calculate it?
 
Nice discussion:) I will go ahead and accept Harvey's technical description of "stereo" recording. However I will also assertain that in the real world, the majority of the time, stereo will be referred to as a Discreet Left and Right signal:)
 
xstatic said:
Nice discussion:) I will go ahead and accept Harvey's technical description of "stereo" recording. However I will also assertain that in the real world, the majority of the time, stereo ill be referred to as a Discreet Left and Right signal:)
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Humm, maybe I missed something... did Harvey say something countradicting to your definition of "stereo"? I like the way Harvey worded the definition of "recording in stereo" in a simple way so it's easy to understand... don't you?
 
garth04 said:
Besides panning, what else would you have to do with the 2 mic tracks to achieve true stereo?

How much panning is natural? How can you calculate it?
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It takes two track to record in stereo... so lets say your using tracks 1 and 2... plug the left mic into track 1 and the right mic into track 2... then you'd pan track 1 hard left and pan track 2 hard right. Now track 1 is the left channel and track 2 is the right channel... stereo.

Oops, I misread your question... the answer is...

Use a matched pair of mics and use coincident, near coincident, M/S, or A-B mic placement.
 
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I wouldn't really call his descrip[tion too simple, but very informative. Like many other things in life though, there are many things that technically are one way, but realistically are another. I think "stereo" falls into that category.
 
DJL said:
It takes two track to record in stereo... so lets say your using tracks 1 and 2... plug the left mic into track 1 and the right mic into track 2... then you'd pan track 1 hard left and pan track 2 hard right. Now track 1 is the left channel and track 2 is the right channel... stereo.
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I think DJL hit the nail right in the head. The way I have always understood stereo is this:

Stereo requires 2.

We listen in stereo with 2 ears.
Our sound systems are in stereo (2 speakers).

Tdukex believed that stereo fundamentally entailed 3 dimensions (from the stereo microscope and stereoscope examples) but the 3 dimensions were a result of using two eyes viewing either the same object from a slightly different perspective (stereo microscope) or viewing a common object in two different pictures using two lenses and two eyes (stereoscope).


Side note: Harvey, your contributions to the thread “mic diaphragm size/polar pattern” has done wonders in increasing my knowledge of microphones and recording techniques. I am grateful.
I am, as a few others have, consolidating the posts in this thread into a more concise document and I will post it soon. Please feel free to evaluate it when I have posted it.

John
 
Harvey Gerst said:
The "big thread" has diagrams.....
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The link I have to the big thread doesn't work anymore.
Anyone have a working URL to the big thread?
 
Emusic said:
The link I have to the big thread doesn't work anymore.
Anyone have a working URL to the big thread?
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It's a sticky at the top of the mic forum:

"How does diaphragm size/polar pattern relate to mic applications?"
 
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