Metallica question

[gibsonguy09]

Good call, I had the same impression (haven't even thought of metallica since and justice for all) I recently saw the movie too.

He seems gay and very childlike for a man of his age and wealth, but he's the only one that doesn't come off as a spoiled megastar. The small segment with Lars' father gives an inkling of why Lars himself is the way he is. If any of the movie is "real", then james is just as dissapointing as Lars.

The 24 hour psychologist guy takes the cake as the saddest thing I've ever seen.

The studio scenes of the band rehersing and jamming are cool though.

Yah for his looks and his music you would think it would be some hard core looking guy.

 

[travelin travis]

I personally like to hear more bite and "life" in guitar tone. The thing about that scooped mids sound is that it's so easily imitated, and even on not such great equipment. Besides the fact that it pretty much sounds the same at every volume. After Metallica hit it big, you could look into every guitar player's rig and see that scooped mids setting and know exactly the sound that was going to come out of their amp. To me, that sound is similar to the takamie plugged in sound that was so popular when it first came out. It's so easy to get, but it really sounds like it too.

Some of my favorite rhythm tones would have to be Rich Robinson (Black Crowes), and ... well ... I was getting read to name some others that I like, but it's just apples and oranges. I'm not a metal guy at all, and I'm guessing you are. So ... I guess we should agree to disagree.

Yes Metallica are now a bunch of sissies but once upon a time they were the best thing in the world to me (at age 15).

That scooped sound is pretty generic these days but back then it was all the shit. And, it's not as easy to get that And Justice For All tone as you might think. Try it. The guitars parts on their old albums were made up of alot of layers of guitar tracks. No matter how close you think you're getting to dialing in that sound, something is always misssing.

Maybe I've just gotten old, or wiser, but these days, I really do love that "tube" tone put out by the Black Crowes guitarist. BTW, I just saw the Black Crowes a couple of weeks ago and they were still rockin. Seems not everyone has taken a ride to fairyland.

 

[Zed10R]

I personally like to hear more bite and "life" in guitar tone. The thing about that scooped mids sound is that it's so easily imitated, and even on not such great equipment. Besides the fact that it pretty much sounds the same at every volume. After Metallica hit it big, you could look into every guitar player's rig and see that scooped mids setting and know exactly the sound that was going to come out of their amp. To me, that sound is similar to the takamie plugged in sound that was so popular when it first came out. It's so easy to get, but it really sounds like it too.

Some of my favorite rhythm tones would have to be Rich Robinson (Black Crowes), and ... well ... I was getting read to name some others that I like, but it's just apples and oranges. I'm not a metal guy at all, and I'm guessing you are. So ... I guess we should agree to disagree.

Fair enough....but just try to get the guitar sound Meshuggah has. I dare you.

 

[speaker]

wat ever you say about the guy he is still an amazing guitarist. some of the riffs he pulls out are ace. i know metallica aint everyones cup of tea but give credit were credit is due

 

[nuemes]

Some Kind of Monster

The first Metalica album I heard was 'Master of Puppets', I think when I was 13 years old. That was an amazing album for its time. But then I started listening to Megadeth and realized just how much Metalica ripped off from Dave Mustaine as well as other bands. For that, they suck, and they will always have to live with themselves and that guilt (which is partly why I think they are so emotionally screwed up today as the video shows).

Now they are filthy rich consumerists with nothing to say about the world they live in. Did you see how they write lyrics? They sit around and rhyme words that sound badass such as 'death/breath', 'land mine/crime', etc, etc add nauseum...

Hetfield in particular is a mess. He has a great pair of lungs but he can't write good heavy metal without stealing it and has nothing lyrically to say. In that sense he is the exact opposite of Dave Mustaine (who comes off as smarmy and manipulative in the video anyways).

And Kirk Hammet? That guy has been playing the same guitar solo in nearly every single song he's ever recorded. Step on the wah pedal and wank away while you loose your thinking audience... Aw, who cares. If I owned a horse ranch in Marin I wouldn't care about my music either! OR WOULD I???

 

[famous beagle]

The first Metalica album I heard was 'Master of Puppets', I think when I was 13 years old. That was an amazing album for its time. But then I started listening to Megadeth and realized just how much Metalica ripped off from Dave Mustaine as well as other bands. For that, they suck, and they will always have to live with themselves and that guilt (which is partly why I think they are so emotionally screwed up today as the video shows).

Now they are filthy rich consumerists with nothing to say about the world they live in. Did you see how they write lyrics? They sit around and rhyme words that sound badass such as 'death/breath', 'land mine/crime', etc, etc add nauseum...

Hetfield in particular is a mess. He has a great pair of lungs but he can't write good heavy metal without stealing it and has nothing lyrically to say. In that sense he is the exact opposite of Dave Mustaine (who comes off as smarmy and manipulative in the video anyways).

And Kirk Hammet? That guy has been playing the same guitar solo in nearly every single song he's ever recorded. Step on the wah pedal and wank away while you loose your thinking audience... Aw, who cares. If I owned a horse ranch in Marin I wouldn't care about my music either! OR WOULD I???

I think Kurt's too worried about scoring his next piece of hairy ass to worry about his solos being repetitious.

 

[Larry Gude]

I quit...

While those two bands ARE technically "metal", they are certainly closer to "glam rock" I think. IM and JP sound weak and boring to me.....but no one will will an argument like that. Everyone with a mullet will come out of hiding to support them....

If there are actually people who think that Maiden and Priest, two of the very few indespensible bands that are the foundation of metal, are 'glam', I''m done with opinions.

That's like saying Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin were to 'English' to be founding fathers.

I'm speechless.

You don't have to like them but my God, glam?

I'm probably gonna regret this but may I ask what you consider metal if they're not?

 

[famous beagle]

Someone needs to tell Kirk that his guitar will still work if he takes the wah pedal out of his signal chain.

 

[sile2001]

Someone needs to tell Kirk that his guitar will still work if he takes the wah pedal out of his signal chain.

...it will?????

I dunno man...I'm pretty sure that pedal of his just controls a wah circuit wired right between his guitar's volume knob and the output jack.

 

[Lotus]

i have been listening to metallica since 87' (not anymore though) and always felt thats kirk hammets solos were out of place with hetfields rhythm chops...way too bluesy to suit what hetfield was trying to do but i guess he didnt care too much (hetfield that is)..my favorite solo by hammet has always been the one over the fast riffing in "fight fire with fire" which incidentally was followed by a hetfield trademark guitar harmony thingy which sounded way cooler anyway...as for mustaine, i always thought his playing was too sloppy and all over the place (a bit like his personality)...metallica were better off without him...still think they should have gotten someone else instead of hammet though...
IMO metallica died on that fateful day in sweden when cliff burton lost his life...

 

[Zed10R]

If there are actually people who think that Maiden and Priest, two of the very few indespensible bands that are the foundation of metal, are 'glam', I''m done with opinions.

That's like saying Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin were to 'English' to be founding fathers.

I'm speechless.

You don't have to like them but my God, glam?

I'm probably gonna regret this but may I ask what you consider metal if they're not?

hehe... I would not call them indespensible. That word is reserved for Black Sabbath/Ozzy. Maden and Priest were, IMO, more for the people who wanted a tough "metal" image. Compared to other "metal" bans of thier time (early Metallica, 1983) they were tame. I know Maiden's first record came out in 80, but just 3 years is like splitting hairs. Metallica had a sound that just punished what Maiden was doing. And Sabbath/Ozzy was alwys more advanced in their metal music than Priest was.

I do not argue that they have a place of honor in the history of metal - but it is a softer, more gentle place. Their image was just as important (maybe even more so) as thier music. Hence glam. They started the whole metal image craze that the REAL glam bands capitalized on. But that's all just my opinion anyway.

What's metal now?? Certainly not anything you would hear on any Clear Channel Communications station. That shit is pathetic. Messhuggah is good....Strapping Young Lad is amazing.....Fear Factory is always great.....Type O Negative is one of my favorites.....

 

[SilverSurfer]

I just saw "Metallica: Some Kind of Monster" the other day. It was very funny. And forgive me if this is common Metallica fan knowledge (I'm certainly not a fan), but is Kirk Hammet gay? He comes off prissy as hell in that movie.

Nope. Met him personally and he is married to a very good looking woman.

He's not gay. Just drunk most of the time. He's always been sorta feminine.

Dude can shred though.

I've got a picture of me and him at a gig I did in SF a few years back somewhere around here....

 

[espskully]

I met Kirk in May last year. There's actually a video of it (I got him to sign my wife's panties) on there metontour website. He was really cool. Lars was actually the most personable and spent the most time chatting with me. He was extremely friendly and warm. That dude gets a bad wrap.

As far as Kirk being gay - he is married to a hella hot woman named Lani. She's Hawaiian I believe. He's a bit feminine - but not gay. He's also my favorite guitar player.

I love the sound of the guitars on Justice. That record was extremely ahead of it's time and is still my favorite record of all time.

Hammett is also one of the most humble, laid back rock stars out there. Virtually no ego. Unlike Musatine who is an egotistical asshole. And I never liked his playing - generic metal wankery. I have always thought Hammett's leads fit beautifully with Hetfield's rhythm's.

 

[SilverSurfer]

Hammett is also one of the most humble, laid back rock stars out there. Virtually no ego. Unlike Musatine who is an egotistical asshole. And I never liked his playing - generic metal wankery. I have always thought Hammett's leads fit beautifully with Hetfield's rhythm's.

Heh, Kirk has an ego. You just need to spend more time around him.

Mustaine is far from "wankery" and as a musician, I think he writes better riffs than Hetfield, is on par with Hetfield's rhythm playing and is coming into his own as a lead guitarist.

Granted, he doesn't have the musicial theory training that Kirk has, but what Mustaine does have is a natural talent for riff writing.

You need to listen to "The Sytem Has Failed" which is 1000 times better than ANYTHING the Met boys have put out since Justice For All.

 

[travelin travis]

I met Kirk in May last year. There's actually a video of it (I got him to sign my wife's panties) on there metontour website. He was really cool. Lars was actually the most personable and spent the most time chatting with me. He was extremely friendly and warm. That dude gets a bad wrap.

As far as Kirk being gay - he is married to a hella hot woman named Lani. She's Hawaiian I believe. He's a bit feminine - but not gay. He's also my favorite guitar player.

I love the sound of the guitars on Justice. That record was extremely ahead of it's time and is still my favorite record of all time.

Hammett is also one of the most humble, laid back rock stars out there. Virtually no ego. Unlike Musatine who is an egotistical asshole. And I never liked his playing - generic metal wankery. I have always thought Hammett's leads fit beautifully with Hetfield's rhythm's.

i think the magic that once was between hetfield and hammet is forever gone. i liked how they fit together on their old stuff......particularly And Justice For All.

 

[espskully]

Better riffs than Hetfield? Certainly not in my opinion.

 

[bileshake]

The first Metalica album I heard was 'Master of Puppets', I think when I was 13 years old. That was an amazing album for its time. But then I started listening to Megadeth and realized just how much Metalica ripped off from Dave Mustaine as well as other bands. For that, they suck, and they will always have to live with themselves and that guilt

wow, I was 14 when I heard Master Of Puppets and I was still old enough to realize that they were carving new ground. they have nothing to be ashamed of pre black album. The movie yes is cheap, I realize they may have needed some kinda of coaching to sever bad water over the years but they need to put that shit away and get back to the garage. Get out of LA and jam, together, no bob rock, no protools, no bullshit, just jam. If they can't do that, they should just wrap it up, call it a day.

 

[espskully]

Just had the black album cranked in the car - sounds fucken great!

 

[Larry Gude]

Well Zed this is agreed of course all opinion...

...and we agree Sabbath is pretty much at the top of the list.

Albums like Stained Class and Sin after Sin are simply part of the metal foundation that lead to bands like Maiden which lead to Slayer, Metallica and Megadeth.

Don't take my word for it; they mention it in bios and interviews all the time as to who influenced them.

3 years you mention between Maiden and Metallica does matter as does the fact that Maiden had been a band for a few years prior to that where Metallica pretty much started in what, 82.

Sabbath is the droning doom of metal. Priest and Maiden are the addition of riffs and a huge expansion of where vocals and dual leads could go. Punk is the source of attitude.

From those cores sprang Metallica and Slayer and Megadeth.

You could make a much better, more accurate argument that Kiss is the bedrock of glam along with the NY Dolls. Those bands are the father of Poison, Crue, et al.

As for today, see if you like this:

gattismetal.com

There's some clips on there. THAT'S metal to me.

 

[Larry Gude]

I'm with surfer here...

Better riffs than Hetfield? Certainly not in my opinion.

Take Rust in Piece and you just can't find anything James has done that is even in the same book. Dave is a FAR better rythm guitar player than Hetfield.

He is also a titanic asshole who has let metal down far more than Metallica ever dreamed.