metal song that I could use some help on.

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I posted this before with canned drums. Drums have always been my weak point in recording, but I decided I have to get past it. So I spent a week or so changing mic positions and tuning to try and get some feel for it. I discovered how to have ring in the snare or not with micing along with some other things. I wish I would have left more ring in the snare on this song because of the mix, but anyway.

Any comments or suggestions would be great. I may have to re track some stuff. I have four more tracks of drums so if you see anything that needs edited let me know I can pull it from the other tracks.

the song is "Disin-Bosom" at this address
http://www.soundclick.com/pro/view/01/default.cfm?bandID=589306&content=music

thanks

F.S.
 
Hard and Fast......nice description man... :D

Drums are a bit loud in the mix...I think they sound good, and should fit well...just find them their spot. They are hiding the vox some....drop em a few db, and they should be fine. Cymbals ring well, and the snare seems to sound pretty good, so fix the volume a little, and you've got it... :D

Fun song man. Motorhead style Rock...I can dig it... :D
 
Thanks Dogman. I needed some outside prospective. Because of the song, I am mixing ungodly loud;) and this song is so packed together that I have a hard time with it. This stuff is just the hardest to mix to me.

Thanks for the advice.

F.S.
 
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ok, you asked.

I liked Filth and My Mind. But the consistency of the recordings, fomr song to song over say 7 songs.. seems to have a wide range of engineering style.

Filth and My Mind have a very professional sound, while some of the others don't meet that level. These two I thought were very impressive.

so as the Beatles Anthology proved, even great songs if not recorded well, can sound not so great.

Disin Bosom- doesn't sound bad, seemed quiter db wise, my headphone was on full blast and not even close to blowing my ears out?
Sounded kind of Mono too? except for the intro, that was cool.
When the second Guitar comes for a fleeting few seconds it showed the available real estate left open. I didn't think it was at the Filth and My Minds level of Eng/Mix.

I'm full of shit, jus another HR head... but you asked! hehee
 
I don't like the cymbals. They sound too "live". They need to have less space between the mic IMO.
 
Thanks COOLCAT & myhatbroke! FIrst COOLCAT, I am happy to hear you say that since Filth is me and me alone. aI am sad to say it is canned drums and my hard drive died shortly after leaving me with no back up. My mind was done in a studio and was mastered by me. I am glad you think it came out well. It was the first time in the studio and we where lost. It's an epic song that most would not be drawn to.
Any way. It is my biggest problem. Our mixes don'tbelong on a album together. I went to the studio this Saturday and am having all the songs formatted to my setup. Everything will be individual tracks that I can remix as I wish. I hope that will help solve the problem of difference between songs.


myhatbroke, I pulled the cymbals back some in the mix ow and will soon post. My room sucks so I have to deal with that. Thanks for your input. I am not sure how to fix "too live", I may have to bring the overheads closer in and loose even more of the room.
Oh waite that's what you mean right?


Thanks alot guys! I will take all into consideration.


F.S.
 
New mix out.

OK I have a new mix posted. Same link as up top. I split the difference between the drums and the vox. Vox up a hair and drums down a hair including the overheads.

Please let me know what you think. It is rally my first time recording drums that I have really tried. I left them high in the mix a bit because of the rythem of the song. The guit and bass are fast enough it's hard to tag with out a strong drum track.


F.S.
 
COOLCAT said:
ok, you asked.


Disin Bosom- doesn't sound bad, seemed quiter db wise, my headphone was on full blast and not even close to blowing my ears out?
Sounded kind of Mono too? except for the intro, that was cool.
When the second Guitar comes for a fleeting few seconds it showed the available real estate left open. I didn't think it was at the Filth and My Minds level of Eng/Mix.

I'm full of shit, jus another HR head... but you asked! hehee
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By the way that real estate will be taken up with a real solo soon I hope;)
The rest of the song is sort of abused by the vocals. Very hard to mix for me.
I am gettign happier with it though.

F.S.
 
Cool pace man, definitely has an aggresive driving feel to this. Drums, guitar rhythms sound cool and drive the song well. Vox IMO could fit a bit better, maybe a bit more clarity, less verb. Drums/guitar just rock here. Good stuff :cool:
 
SnakeDog5050 said:
Cool pace man, definitely has an aggresive driving feel to this. Drums, guitar rhythms sound cool and drive the song well. Vox IMO could fit a bit better, maybe a bit more clarity, less verb. Drums/guitar just rock here. Good stuff :cool:
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Well the vocals are proving to be tough. There is really no verb there, but it is double tracked. I tried to keep the song true to a 4 track version 15 to 20 years ago. the double tracking gives it a cool sound, but in this song it is making it very hard to mix. I will screw with pulling one of the tracks down more and see if that helps. Perhaps I am trying for too much effect from the double tracking.


thanks SnakeDog:)
 
Freudian Slip said:
Well the vocals are proving to be tough. There is really no verb there, but it is double tracked. I tried to keep the song true to a 4 track version 15 to 20 years ago. the double tracking gives it a cool sound, but in this song it is making it very hard to mix. I will screw with pulling one of the tracks down more and see if that helps. Perhaps I am trying for too much effect from the double tracking.


thanks SnakeDog:)
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Well it does sound cool, just a bit hard to understand IMO. I'm no vocal expert, so I'll just give a suggestion to try that may work... try setting up the vocal track at a particular EQ setting that you like best, raise that frequency up a bunch then lower that same frequency on the backing track. Helps blend things, but at the same time making the vox clearer. but again, i'm no singer and vocal expert, just an idea :D :)
 
I didn't read right through the thread but this sounds almost mono to me - but not happily so. Kind of a squashed into a box feeling.
the drums sound good - a bit loud? The guitar, is it just the one at first? Y or N you should split it, add a little something to one of them & pann them away from each other.
The bass has a nice grumble to it but I have to listen to hear exactly what it's playing.
Vocals have a really paranoid edge to them - is that intentional? I hope so!
Good song - could you post the lyric?
 
rayc said:
I didn't read right through the thread but this sounds almost mono to me - but not happily so. Kind of a squashed into a box feeling.
the drums sound good - a bit loud? The guitar, is it just the one at first? Y or N you should split it, add a little something to one of them & pann them away from each other.
The bass has a nice grumble to it but I have to listen to hear exactly what it's playing.
Vocals have a really paranoid edge to them - is that intentional? I hope so!
Good song - could you post the lyric?
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Hey Rayc There's only one guitar track and one bass track and they play the exact same notes. I am afraid to add mor tracks because of the speed of the alternating notes. I could try panning the bass and the guitar a hair to seperate sides. On the vocals they are that way on purpose but I could clean them up a hair maybe.

Here are the lyrics, got to get off to work. I'll check back later.

Sorry about the all caps.

DISIN-BOSOM
WRITTEN BY: DAVID EPPERLY, SUMMER 1990


CREATOR OF YOUR OWN DEMISE
THE SUN FALLS FROM YOUR SKY
LEAVING YOU IN DARKNESS
WRITE ME ANOTHER FAIRY TALE
SO I CAN RIP IT FROM THE PAGE
DISPLAY MY RAGE
WITH YOUR DEMENTED COMFORT WITH YOUR SELF
HONESTY AND OPENNESS
IT’S ALL I REALLY WANTED
NOW THE HUNTER BECOMES THE HUNTED
I THROW FORTH MY PAIN UPON YOUR WORLD

(CHORUS)
MAYBE I CARE TOO MUCH
WHERE OTHER PEOPLE DO NOT GIVE A DAMN
MAYBE I’M A GOD
TRAPPED IN THIS HELLISH WORLD OR MAN
MAYBE A FOOL
SUCKED INTO THE PART I PLAY
BUT MAYBE ITS YOU
WHO WILL SUFFER MORE COME JUDGMENT DAY

CREATOR OF THE SITUATION
TEMPTER OF FATE
BRING OF YOUR DEGRADATION
NOW IT’S TOO LATE
MY INNARDS CHURN WITH PAIN
THERE’S NOTHING I CAN DO
BUT I WILL NOT TAKE THE BLAME
NOW IT FALLS ON YOU



WITH A QUIET WHISPER, I COULD
MAKE THE SMILE FALL FROM YOU FACE
WALK AWAY AND LEAVE YOU
WITHIN YOUR MOUTH A ROTTED TASTE

WITHOUT A FLAME, I COULD
BURN YOU FORM THE INSIDE OUT
USING ONLY SHAME
LEAVE YOUR EMOTIONS DISINBOULD


Can you tell I was pissed when I wrote this:D

Thanks
F.S.
 
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Frood Dude,
Why not clone the guitar track, add a tiny delay or amp sim, re EQing or similar & pan them? That should give more space - or throw ride & crash either side.
I really like the song & the lyrics didn't disappoint: pissed off'n'paranoid go together well.
I look forward to your final mix.
 
rayc said:
Frood Dude,
Why not clone the guitar track, add a tiny delay or amp sim, re EQing or similar & pan them? That should give more space - or throw ride & crash either side.
I really like the song & the lyrics didn't disappoint: pissed off'n'paranoid go together well.
I look forward to your final mix.
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I will give the cloning Idea a shot. I've got the cymbals panned as far as I can. I am working on a mix right now that will take most everything but the kick slightly off center. I am also messing with panning the vocal tracks more, but I start to loose the odd effect I have going there.

We are trying to get a solo down at the moment so I am not sure how much more I will be doing until it is done. I have a temporary solo in it at the moment. I might throw that up later. It just needs to get tightened up more.

Thanks for the suggestions.

F.S.
 
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