Metal band im tracking: Next song

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You guys gave me some great help on the last song i posted so i figured i would run this one through the clinic as well. This is the first mix ive done on this one so i expect to have to make some adjustments. Any mix comments/ suggestions are greatly appreciated.
The song is called "A Narration Of"


thanks in advance
 
Sounds great. Tight performances and the mix sounds pretty damn good as is. To be honest, the one weak point here is the cleaner vocal sounds a bit timid for the rest of the music/mix. I'd prefer something a bit more from the gut with those guitars. Works very well with the stuff at 2:25, but not sure about where the gain is cranked..

I'd bring that guitar solo around 2:10 up- mostly the 1K area if possible.

Vocal crescendo @ 3:03 gets a bit hot.

Nasty crackling/pops around 3:13. Think I'm hearing more crackling out from the left around 3:56.

Nice ending.

I very much dug this song. Good job!

Tom
 
thanks

Sluice thanks for listening , i really appreciate the comments.
The pops your hearing came into the mix after i ripped it and converted so im not really worried. I checked the mix on my masterlink and they aren't there but thanks for pointing them out.
I know what your saying about the clean vocals. Our band has been together for a few years but our singer took a year off. In the year that our singer was gone we started treading into alot heavier territory (we used to be more straightforward rock) so i think hes still searching for some sort of equilibrium.
Is the guitar solo too low in volume or are you saying do an eq boost in that freq area?

thanks again
 
Kick ass again!!!!!!!

Very good again. There are only a couple of things that i thought sounded a little wierd. It doesn't seem to have enough low end in the mix for my taste. Like the bass isn't prominent enough. And sometime the mellow vocals with the heavy ones sounds a little off. I think that should be used more sparingly, otherwise it will lose it's cool effectiveness. And something is bugging me about the mellow section with the harmonies, but not the vocals or the guitars, it's in the drumming. There is that crazy fill that flies in outta nowhere and then it goes right back into the mellow stuff again. It sorta builds up for no reason there. but that may have been what you were going for. Those are the only things that i think are (not bad) but come to mind for a critique. Nice playing again. Everything was executed great. Great guitar riffs as well. I really dig this tune, but just not as much as "The point at which things break" Still awesome though. Keep the good metal coming. You guys rock.
 
Good stuff!

The only mix nit-pick I can come up with on this is I think the cymbals are a bit thin. Not much.

I like the bottom on this. I think if you try to fatten it up it'll just get loose & boomy.

On a tracking note I think the vocal parts where he's singing might sound a bit fatter if they were doubled, but it would have to be pretty tight. Can he pull that off? If not maybe you could put a bit of chorus on 'em with a bit of pre-delay to fatten 'em up, and give 'em a bit of "edge"

The ending is cool. Kinda reminds me of "Heaven & Hell".
 
The song and recording and mixing is great... but I have personal things that I would prefer differently... like Analytical Man I think more bass would be nice for this style of music... I don't really like the guitar tone... but then again i don't really like this style of music ;)

and another comment on the "singing" - it defintely feels like it's missing something... possibly more effects.. or the double tracking idea might work... just play with it to get it bigger sounding...

anyways... the sound was great... a lot better than most of that style of music...
 
Fucking great again! The mix sounds amazing to me.
It didn't seem like an issue before, but now that I hear the song with vocals it seems like that wacky guitar riff breaks up the flow a bit. That's just personal taste though, it was probably intended to throw a wrench into things. I also agree about combining the heavy + mellow vocals more sparingly.

With the harmonies the interlude gave me goosebumps (something thats been happening a lot to me lately). That dude has one of the best voices around, for both screaming and melody. At the end he starts sounding like Dani Filth.


Great song overall. You get 5 star! That's all I have to say for now other than write more!
 
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Wireneck said:
Is the guitar solo too low in volume or are you saying do an eq boost in that freq area?

thanks again
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I would probably try more subrtractive EQ first...maybe take a wide Q (60-70) out from 4K, from 3K-6kish, and again at arouns 8-10k. There's a bit more high end distortion than necessary IMO on it, so whateve it takes to cut that back and blend better. Just a thought. Don't mess with it if it you like it as it is. I was mixing some heavy stuff all day myself, so my high end judgement could have been off a bit.
 
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Wireneck said:

The song is called "A Narration Of"


thanks in advance
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Amazing song! I had your "The point at which things break" constantly in my Winamp playlist, and now I'm going to add this one!
I don't think I'm the right guy to give you mixing/mastering hints, so I judge your songs only from the composition/inspiration point of view and I can say you're definitely at pro-levels.
Great job dude, and thanks for sharing your music with us!
 
Also, M. Brane's suggestion about the vocal might be a good idea. Either with chorus, or even a 20-40ms delay.
 
Thanks for all of your comments

Analytical man- the drum buildup was used to work up to the vocal crescendo. It made sense to us? lol Thanks for listening man
M.Brane- we would prob double alot of the vocals but I only have 16 tracks at this current time. Im going to fool around with some chorus or delay on them and see what happens. Im begining to think the mic (AT-3035) i use for vocals isn't very flattering on his clean voice.
Linchpin-thanks for listening, the "wacky" riff does break the flow up a little bit but it was intended to create some tension before the solo breakdown . I guess it worked haha
Sluice- the solo sound isn't really bothering me , i agree it is very gainy ,is that a word? Ill try your suggestion and see if i like it better though. you never know, thanks again.
LazerPhEa-thanks for listening and glad you enjoy our music.
 
Snappy sound! Very tight performance.

I like the screaming vocals, but I'm not too fond of the singing vocals. A few vocal lessons could help a lot.

Technically I'm with SLuiCe all over (as usual) but I don't have to the technical terms to describe what's 'wrong'. So I say: listen to the guy....

:)
 
2ND LISTEN

Upon the 2nd listen i hear why the drums got all crazy...because there is a vocal build. Like you said. i am retarded. Awesome song again, and everything is really good. My computor speakers aren't flattering for heavy stuff. Post another, and another, and another. GOOD JOB!!!
 
thanks again

thanks for the listen pedullist.

Analytical man- thanks for the compliments. More songs are coming soon.

Anyhow after reading over everyones comments and talking with our vocalist tonight at practice, i think we may re-work the vocals in the verse and chorus sections. Im moving this week though so it may be a week or two before i get everything setup and ready to record again. Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions and listened.
 
Hmmm...I really don't have too many complaints. The only problem I have is that I would like a little more low end in the bass drum and bass. I almost feel like I am listening to it "without my sub turned on." Maybe give a bit more punch to the bass drum by giving it some lows as well. Sorry it took me so long to get to this thread. I am tracking MiddleGround and Elohsa at the same time so I am doing a little more mixing than reading these days, which is a good thing!

Great Job!
Beez
 
no problem Robby

thanks for the comments. Ill put them to use once i get all my stuff setup at my new house and we retrack the vocals that were changing.
I know what your saying about doing alot of stuff at once. Im like 2/3 of the way through Canvas Solaris' new demo, ive been moving for a week now and still not anywhere near done, and im still tracking our stuff on top of that plus im working 2 jobs lol. Life sucks sometimes.
Thanks for the listen
 
finally got moved into my new house

now i can get back to work. I did another mix of this song. I tried to boost the lows a little bit on the bass and the kick. I also made the clean vocals a little more wet in places so they would hopefully sit in the mix better. Is this a step in the right direction? I think i like this mix better than the first but im still not sure if its all the way there yet. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 
It got loose and boomy!

At first I thought you overdid it on the bass boost, but after checking it on my small monitors It looks like maybe just rolling some subsonics off the bass, and cutting some upper bass on the drums might clean it up. Usually when my Altecs tell me there's too much bass they're right.:D

The clean vocal seems to sit a bit better to my ears.:cool:

Moving sucks! :mad:
 
thanks m.brane

i kind of thought it might have been a little too much bass. Im trying to get everything to sit about the same as they did with the previous song i was working on, The point at which things break. The 1st mix was a little bit thinner sounding and this one seems to be a little bass heavy. Ill try and roll it off a tad and see what happens
 
Wireneck said:
You guys gave me some great help on the last song i posted so i figured i would run this one through the clinic as well. This is the first mix ive done on this one so i expect to have to make some adjustments. Any mix comments/ suggestions are greatly appreciated.
The song is called "A Narration Of"


thanks in advance
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guiter player has talent. drummer needs a metronome. vocalist has to go.

this mix is poor. but no matter what you do nothing will make it work due to the singer's talentlessness...
 
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