Serendipity Records
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Original quote is "LOVE OF money...".
That changes things quite a bit.
EDIT -- Sorry @Slouching Raymond, you got there first
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That changes things quite a bit.
EDIT -- Sorry @Slouching Raymond, you got there first
There is an important 'principle' tied up with this debate? What most people call "laws" are no such thing. Gravity is a fact and what we have is a THEORY to explain it and one moreover that has changed radically since the thoughts of Mr E and still poses questions at the limits of our understanding.Correction; They are referred to as laws in legal parlance.
Please pardon my proclivity for vocable rhetoric
Most of what we think of as immutable "laws" are in fact inventions of certain sections of certain societies. Historically made by those with the greatest influence and power to maintain that position for themselves at the expense of the majority. This applies whatever your personal political stance. Capitalist, communist*, serfdom, religious control. All have been and are used by those in power to keep us proles in line. Did anyone see last night's TV programme about the BBCs fight to keep its independence? (WHAT a shit was Harold Wilson and to think I might have vote for him!)
The "laws" of economics MIGHT work in a completely free system but there has never been one. Governments 'cheat' the same way a fridge 'cheats' the laws of thermodynamics. Mostly they stack the deck to keep themselves and their cronies rich, and that pretty much regardless of professed ideology. Of course, some states are just run by out and out murderous criminals.
*Never really had a fair go.
Dave.
You know, when the majority are miserable, it's easy to point and blame "THEM/THEY".
It's easy to say, "It's always been that way."
So, doesn't it stand to reason that, throughout history, the subjugated majority have always been right? If every nation of people on this planet is just living hand to mouth, hasn't the minority of global governance engineered and perpetuated class warfare and racial/sexual animus ad-nauseam? Isn't the ruling 5% guilty of turning the 95% against each other for the sake of indebted economic global warfare?
It may be an unpopular truth... but, governance has always repeated a simple pattern;
The many... subjugated by the few... who pledge fealty to one.
The label you place upon any nation's form of government is only defined by how big of an asshole that "one" is.
One way governments try to set us at one another is to demonize almost anyone who goes on strike.
Now hospital consultants are, compared to many of us well paid but not your dot com millionairs...No, they did not get the top salary until middle age and worked and studied hard to get there. Much of that time lumbered with student debt.
All through austerity they kept their heads down but eventually they saw their standard of living being eroded but when they as a last resort withhold their labour they are "holding the country to ransom"!
Then, gvmnts pick and choose the economic 'laws' they want to fit the situation. Said consultants are forever being offered much larger salaries in the States say. If they jumped that would surely be "supply and demand in action"? Our gvmnt would however call it "desertion".
Dave.
Now hospital consultants are, compared to many of us well paid but not your dot com millionairs...No, they did not get the top salary until middle age and worked and studied hard to get there. Much of that time lumbered with student debt.
All through austerity they kept their heads down but eventually they saw their standard of living being eroded but when they as a last resort withhold their labour they are "holding the country to ransom"!
Then, gvmnts pick and choose the economic 'laws' they want to fit the situation. Said consultants are forever being offered much larger salaries in the States say. If they jumped that would surely be "supply and demand in action"? Our gvmnt would however call it "desertion".
Dave.
rob aylestone
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The trouble with politicians is that you never know if you are speaking to the 'real' them or the 'public' them. Totally different. They're like actors, but they can be somebody else with much more realism.
Serendipity Records
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Economic "laws" are not changeable, they are an observation of the way humans react to financial "climates". You can try to use an economic "law" to your benefit etc. but governments certainly can't "choose economic 'laws'" any more than Heinz can choose culinary taste -- they act on an underlying desire for sweet & salty.
TAE
All you have is now
I am not so sure that we little humans have as much to do with climate change as we think we do....We're a little blip on the big picture of this never ending mystery.
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TalismanRich
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My old chemistry teacher in high school said "There are liars, there are damn liars, and there are statisticians."
They most certainly ARE actors...
The "system" is so corrupted it forces an elected official to choose between maintaining status quo with a smile, or trying to tell the truth in a way that makes your political party feel good about itself...
Statistics are like algebra... Math without real numbers or any real life application
I think he stole that from Mark Twain
NOT! That I am any kind of math guru but 'statistics' IS a perfectly real form.
I used a very simplified form of it to get a better description of the accuracy of air rifles. You might think you know instinctively how to express the accuracy of a gun but when you start to think about it, not that simple!
Then, we's all heard of "noise"? Well there are many and various ways to measure that but they all rely on some form of 'averaging' process and that's STATISTICS!
As with many things in life it is HOW things are used and the honesty behind that use that matters. They say "Oh! You can use statistics to prove ANYTHING!" Well no, statistics does not 'prove' anything, just gives you probabilities.
Dave.
I used a very simplified form of it to get a better description of the accuracy of air rifles. You might think you know instinctively how to express the accuracy of a gun but when you start to think about it, not that simple!
Then, we's all heard of "noise"? Well there are many and various ways to measure that but they all rely on some form of 'averaging' process and that's STATISTICS!
As with many things in life it is HOW things are used and the honesty behind that use that matters. They say "Oh! You can use statistics to prove ANYTHING!" Well no, statistics does not 'prove' anything, just gives you probabilities.
Dave.
The reason stats get such a bad rap is because, "statistically", only about 25% of the general population can do the math
Supercreep
Lizard People
Breakdown;
The USA only equals 1.8% of the surface area of planet Earth.
Currently, every single man, woman, and child on this planet could easily occupy their own 2000 sq ft house in the USA... and still have a 2839 sq ft yard.
However...
The 5% of the global population that claims ownership and control of entire Earth (Industry and Government)... claim that the supply of global resources can't keep up with the demand of over population.
Furthermore...
They also claim that overpopulation is polluting the Earth and atmosphere... when industry is obviously mass producing the pollution for the sake of profit.
Then...
Government, at the behest of global industry, taxes the 95% with the responsibility of cleaning up the mess.
Dust off your calculator and try to remember your 6th grade math...