Marshall MXL Quality????

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Is this the Marshall we have all grown to know and love concerning stacks and all that other good marshal stuff. The real question I guess is they have some pretty good prices and I have heard some good stuff about MXL products. In your opinion is this something I should go with. Thanks for all the Good advice

Stoctony
 
Very high quality for the price...theres some real crap to be had for about the same bread.
 
Keep in mind this is just my personal opinion . . . but other than the mxl603, I don't think I've ever owned or worked with a Marshall that I didn't think was basically just a toy. Other than maybe training wheels to learn on until you get something better, I just don't see any use for most any of their Large Diaphragm condensers. Reason I don't take them seriously is because they all have a cetain cheap-sounding high end to them. Like someone just cranked a really cheap EQ or a BBE sonic maximizer to boost the treble to make you think they sound clear or defined.

Again, take my opinions with a grain of salt, because they are just one person's opion, and many people whom I respect seem to like them ; including Harvey Gerst and Dan Richards just to put things in to perspective.
 
Chessrock. You have given me some good advice in the past(although not always so gentle) but good none the less. It makes me feel better that you mentioned the 603s because that is what I am looking at. I have gotten alot of good feedback on them. Thanks

Stoctony
 
[mxl mics] have a cetain cheap-sounding high end to them. Like someone just cranked a really cheap EQ or a BBE sonic maximizer to boost the treble to make you think they sound clear or defined.

make that 2 persons opinions :p
 
i have a pair of 603's. i really like them. i use them to record my mahogany Martin and they do a fine job on it. i also use them as overheads, and they do ok at that too.

they DO have a bit of a hyped high end--makes cheap cymbals sound cheap--thin, harsh and brassy. i compensate by using darker cymbals (zildjian K's, which i like better anyway). the 603's might also make a really bold, boomy acoustic with new brassy strings sound kinda crapulent, too. although, i DO suspect that between a pair of 603's and a pair of MC-012's, you'd have your bases covered for a while.

the V67 got a LOT of great press (and hype) on this board when it came out (and then again when the price fell below $100). since then, people have fallen out of favor with it somewhat. a similar thing happened with the Studio Projects C1. Mainly i think expectations and the overnight "wow factor" came back down to earth somewhat. still, i can't imagine it's a "bad" mic for $80, especially on the right source--could be a very flattering vocal mic on the right person, or sound great on the right guitar. mind you, i've never used a V67, so i can't give you my personal opinion, but i CAN say that my desire for one has waned a considerable bit given the reviews of late.

plus i must be one of the only folks who thinks the V67G is UGLY. in all honesty, most of my remaining desire went away when i saw the mic in person for the first time--could they have picked a nastier looking split-pea-shit green color? it reminds me of something you'd find inside a diaper. and the gold looks all manner of cheap. granted, looks ain't everything, but when we're talking blow $100 on a V67 versus save it for an AT 4033 or 4040, looks DO matter--especially when it's "new kid" versus "proven winner". i was ready to give it a whirl and see if it worked on my voice up (nasty high-end be damned! :D) until i saw it in person. maybe if i found one of the black ones instead...... :b

i've really wanted to check into the V69 and V77, but haven't had the time.


cheers,
wade
 
choose between 603's and mk012's............................and the winner is?
 
stoctony said:
Is this the Marshall we have all grown to know and love concerning stacks and all that other good marshal stuff. The real question I guess is they have some pretty good prices and I have heard some good stuff about MXL products. In your opinion is this something I should go with. Thanks for all the Good advice

Stoctony
No... they are two different companies... one company "Marshall" makes great guitar amps, and the other company "Marshall Electronics" makes cheap Chinese budget mics. Two different companies. The Marshall MXL603S is a nice mic IMO, but the other MXL mics are in about the same class as Nady, Studio Projects, Beheringer, and all the other cheap Chinese budgets mics.
 
DJL said:
No... they are two different companies... one company "Marshall" makes great guitar amps,

I think some people might argue that one with you...maybe "made" is a better word? :)

Having said that, I like my v67 (even though it is kind of ugly, but hey, the gold color tends to excite people that don't know any better). However, I have no real frame of reference, since until that point, the best vocal mics I've used are 57s, and a condenser I borrowed from my cousin that I can't for the life of me remember the brand (I think it was an AT). My point is, like most have said, its a good inexpensive way to get started, but you're not going to stay with it forever.
 
<<choose between 603's and mk012's............................and the winner is?>>

that's a really hard call since they're such different mics.....the 012's are darker and the 603's are brighter--they'll both have areas where they shine and areas where they certainly don't shine, and i'd not expect those areas to overlap too much.

and IIRC, the 603's have a bit wider pattern than the 012s. even if all other things were equal, that'd play into this equation.

and that's assuming you get a good set of 012's. i'd hazard a guess that QC on the 603's is gonna be a wee bit better than oktava's is on the 012's--you don't see a Sound Room for MXLs. (yet :D)

so, like with all mics, it depends on the source and the room and there's nothing i'd consider to be "the hands-down winner" over another in this case.

but then again, i guess from what i'm saying above that i'd prolly lean towards a pair of 603's first and then save up and get a pair of 012's from the Sound Room (or take the day off from work on a tuesday and spend 3 hours at GC hoping to find a good pair).


cheers,
wade
 
DJL

I'm afraid I have to disagree, the MXL V77 is a very nice sounding tube mic.
I've been recording yesterday the whole day long with that baby and the (male) vocalist was very happy with the sound.

Perhaps you need better pre's brother!
 
<<Perhaps you need better pre's brother!>>

funny how people hardly ever take that into consideration when talking about "what mic is better". a V67 through a mackie will sound different than it through a symetrix 528, or a great river or an avalon. the mic is but one link in the chain.

of course, though, with tube mics, pres aren't really an issue....i've been wanting to check out the v69 and v77's, just b/c i'm looking for a cheap toob mic for my vocals--i've already got a dynamic that works well for me (an RE-38).


wade
 
mrface2112 said:
plus i must be one of the only folks who thinks the V67G is UGLY. in all honesty, most of my remaining desire went away when i saw the mic in person for the first time--could they have picked a nastier looking split-pea-shit green color? it reminds me of something you'd find inside a diaper. and the gold looks all manner of cheap.
I'm the other one. I have one and it works well enough in my inexperienced hands but it sure as hell doesn't look 'expensive' as some others claim.
 
Han said:
Perhaps you need better pre's brother!


It's just not my cup of tea, and in my opinion if you have to plug it in to a Manley in order for it to sound halfway decent, then it could be a sign that it's not a very good mic. I happen to have enough mics that sound good regardless of what I plug them in to. These will tend to get more action, as I'd rather not have to get in to a drawn-out thought process of how I should optimally match the mics with pres. I'd rather just plug them in and go.

Everyone has different opinions and standards of what they like and what works for them. If you're happy with it, that's great. There seem to be more than a few folks I respect who share your enthusiasm (towards the MXLs); for these people, they sure are a great value.
 
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Han said:
DJL

I'm afraid I have to disagree, the MXL V77 is a very nice sounding tube mic.
I've been recording yesterday the whole day long with that baby and the (male) vocalist was very happy with the sound.

Perhaps you need better pre's brother!
Perhaps you should address Stoctony with your post, and tell him what preamp you used and etc... I don't like cheap Chinese budget mics. ;)
 
DJL, as you may know I have a DDA-AMR board and there's nothing wrong with it's pre's.

I have been working with a couple of outboard pre's, but none of them was any better, slightly different but not better.

The DDA-AMR 44/24 was a $100k+ board in the early nineties (with the Optifile Tetra automation).

I wish there had been mics like the MXL V69 and V77 back in the 80's/90's
 
Is that the same AMR that made the Peavey boards and the VMP2, etc ?

Those are pretty nice, and I know more than a few people who are still using them without a lot of maintanance needed.
 
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