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ecc83
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Ah! Did not know that! The only time I have dabbled was with a PCWorld P4 clunker with a Foxconn MOBO.
Dave.
Ah! Did not know that! The only time I have dabbled was with a PCWorld P4 clunker with a Foxconn MOBO.
Dave.
DM60
Well-known member
In fairness, this is a recent feature so people can use laptops as USB chargers. Which really is good rather than have your laptop plugged in and still have to need plug ins all over the place.
DebErney
New member
Latency, latency, latency
I've been buying and selling a few of these. I have a ZOOM R-16 ($399)which has an audio interface (I just started using the audio interface on it) that I have been using to record with, then import the tracks into Reaper($69). After many conversations with my guitar guru I decided to try computer DAW recording again. I bought the PRESONUS VSL 44. It recorded a few tracks beautifully, though it did takes a few days to get all the settings with Windows 8 to work properly. After the initial recordings I started having the latency, sound dragging, problems. Tried different buffer settings and all the other things suggested by forums, Sweetwater and PRESONUS.
Thought I'd give it a try on my MacBook Pro. Everything installed perfectly (in minutes). But I still had problems. I started looking at the audio interface on the Zoom R-16 and decided to try it. THE INSTALLATION, UPDATED DRIVERS, THE ORDER OF INSTALL, PLUG IN, TURN ON is all crucial to these working properly. I also found out that ALL EXTERNAL OPERATIONS, WIFI, VIRUS PROTECTION, ETC needed to be disabled and the interface needs to be plugged into the same USB port as installation.
I decided this was too much trouble for me especially since I could just hit record on my ZOOM and take out the SD card and import to the PC. I've hauled this to record performances, band practice, and myself. Love ZOOM. I've had several of their products over the years and I'm never disappointed.
I then tried the audio interface on the Zoom. It records to DAW flawlessly, no issues. The sound is not as clean, bright as the PRESONUS, but I tend to like the warmer sound of my vocals that Zoom products have AND NO LATENCY ISSUES.
I then purchased Tascam US-1200, thought I'd give it a try for $99. It setup easier then the PRESONUS but after a few tracks I was having the latency issues at second edits on just a few tracks.
I've been encouraged to wait it out and go with a higher end product ($800 seems to be the point) RME or MOTU. I've also been told that the FireWire is preferable to USB and Thunder Bolt deminishes latency all together.
RESIDENT AUDIO has a new Thunderbolt interface T4 and it lists for $499. This was recommended to me by Sweetwater though I haven't seen many user reviews on it.
I've been buying and selling a few of these. I have a ZOOM R-16 ($399)which has an audio interface (I just started using the audio interface on it) that I have been using to record with, then import the tracks into Reaper($69). After many conversations with my guitar guru I decided to try computer DAW recording again. I bought the PRESONUS VSL 44. It recorded a few tracks beautifully, though it did takes a few days to get all the settings with Windows 8 to work properly. After the initial recordings I started having the latency, sound dragging, problems. Tried different buffer settings and all the other things suggested by forums, Sweetwater and PRESONUS.
Thought I'd give it a try on my MacBook Pro. Everything installed perfectly (in minutes). But I still had problems. I started looking at the audio interface on the Zoom R-16 and decided to try it. THE INSTALLATION, UPDATED DRIVERS, THE ORDER OF INSTALL, PLUG IN, TURN ON is all crucial to these working properly. I also found out that ALL EXTERNAL OPERATIONS, WIFI, VIRUS PROTECTION, ETC needed to be disabled and the interface needs to be plugged into the same USB port as installation.
I decided this was too much trouble for me especially since I could just hit record on my ZOOM and take out the SD card and import to the PC. I've hauled this to record performances, band practice, and myself. Love ZOOM. I've had several of their products over the years and I'm never disappointed.
I then tried the audio interface on the Zoom. It records to DAW flawlessly, no issues. The sound is not as clean, bright as the PRESONUS, but I tend to like the warmer sound of my vocals that Zoom products have AND NO LATENCY ISSUES.
I then purchased Tascam US-1200, thought I'd give it a try for $99. It setup easier then the PRESONUS but after a few tracks I was having the latency issues at second edits on just a few tracks.
I've been encouraged to wait it out and go with a higher end product ($800 seems to be the point) RME or MOTU. I've also been told that the FireWire is preferable to USB and Thunder Bolt deminishes latency all together.
RESIDENT AUDIO has a new Thunderbolt interface T4 and it lists for $499. This was recommended to me by Sweetwater though I haven't seen many user reviews on it.
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DebErney
New member
You can hear the Zoom Audio Interface with Reaper in my newer posts
http://https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DxAcBgMNQt0
The last few posts were recorded with the R-16 then imported into Reaper for mixing. My lip syncing needs some work. But I love doing these.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jkFOC8Lnz5Q
http://https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DxAcBgMNQt0
The last few posts were recorded with the R-16 then imported into Reaper for mixing. My lip syncing needs some work. But I love doing these.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jkFOC8Lnz5Q
BroKen_H
Re-member
Curious that different systems had latency issues after several tracks, but not before. Sounds like it's not the hardware. But you've also tried it on Win and Mac platforms. Yet the Zoom has no latency issues with either platform? Wonder what the common denominator is...ADC or DAC the same chipset on the two interfaces and different on the Zoom?
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Saloje
New member
HI guys it's me again 
Well i'v been working on recordings and gotta tell you it's a hard job. I'm working on mixing vocals on some recorded tracks ( from karaoke ) and it's goin good for now. I finally managed to finnish some songs and it sound promising. The problem i got is when i try to export finished audio into wav or MP3 file . The recordigs sound bad and high tones are tearing my speakers , but in Adobe audition everything works fine even when i listen audio on monitors. Any1 knows what's happening ?
Well i'v been working on recordings and gotta tell you it's a hard job. I'm working on mixing vocals on some recorded tracks ( from karaoke ) and it's goin good for now. I finally managed to finnish some songs and it sound promising. The problem i got is when i try to export finished audio into wav or MP3 file . The recordigs sound bad and high tones are tearing my speakers , but in Adobe audition everything works fine even when i listen audio on monitors. Any1 knows what's happening ?
Dave Holmes
New member
I think I must just be lucky when it comes to latency as I've never really had an issue since I got back into recording... Had a few clicks/pops on my last laptop (core duo2 with 4gb ram) but only when running multiple plugins (guitar rig was always in there...) but never what I'd describe as poor latency...
I have a Dell now (i3 & 12gb ram) and my 2i2 runs like a dream Maschine, S1 & Cubase irrespective of how many plugins I'm running...
I have a Dell now (i3 & 12gb ram) and my 2i2 runs like a dream Maschine, S1 & Cubase irrespective of how many plugins I'm running...
mjbphotos
Moderator
HI guys it's me again
Well i'v been working on recordings and gotta tell you it's a hard job. I'm working on mixing vocals on some recorded tracks ( from karaoke ) and it's goin good for now. I finally managed to finnish some songs and it sound promising. The problem i got is when i try to export finished audio into wav or MP3 file . The recordigs sound bad and high tones are tearing my speakers , but in Adobe audition everything works fine even when i listen audio on monitors. Any1 knows what's happening ?
Try posting your mix in the MP3 Clinic section of the forum so you can get some opinions on what's going on. What monitors are you using?
Bobbsy
Boring Old Git
HI guys it's me again
Well i'v been working on recordings and gotta tell you it's a hard job. I'm working on mixing vocals on some recorded tracks ( from karaoke ) and it's goin good for now. I finally managed to finnish some songs and it sound promising. The problem i got is when i try to export finished audio into wav or MP3 file . The recordigs sound bad and high tones are tearing my speakers , but in Adobe audition everything works fine even when i listen audio on monitors. Any1 knows what's happening ?
How are your levels in Audition? If you haven't messed with the default settings, you've been mixing in 32 bit floating point format which give you huge dynamic range without audible clipping. However, MP3 is a lot less forgiving and, unless you've sorted out your levels before converting to the compressed format this could cause the problems.
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Saloje
New member
y i messed with lvls and there was no peaking but yesterday i instaled Adobe Audition CS5 and the problem is solved. My audio is decent. Can i ask a quick question about recordings with mic and instruments. What dB range should i desire ? -6 dB is too low ? And what about master output should i aim to -1 dB or -6 ? Thx for helping i couldnt find that on internet.
BroKen_H
Re-member
In the digital world, the target is usually -18 to -20 dbFS. Make sure you understand the difference between dBFS (digital 0 is full scale), dBv or dBu (which relates to voltage) and dBSPL (which relates to sound pressure level in acoustics.
AFA output range, make sure you leave room in your mix for mastering. -3 to -6 is a good target if you want to get the mix mastered. Some will say less, but ask the mastering folks about what they think is ideal and I think I'll be close.
If you're shooting the mix out as "self mastered" shoot for -1dBFS. A good hard limiter will get you that "brick" look and completely ruin most of your dynamics...but that's what people seem to want.
AFA output range, make sure you leave room in your mix for mastering. -3 to -6 is a good target if you want to get the mix mastered. Some will say less, but ask the mastering folks about what they think is ideal and I think I'll be close.
If you're shooting the mix out as "self mastered" shoot for -1dBFS. A good hard limiter will get you that "brick" look and completely ruin most of your dynamics...but that's what people seem to want.
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Saloje
New member
Thx man working on it right now
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Saloje
New member
Thx for that tip my songs are now much better.
The next problem i have is mastering song. I use Adobe Audition CS6 and it seem that i have a limmited effects instaled in that program. Can anyone recommend me a nice DAW that has a solid effects for mastering and mixing songs. And yea i know it's a noobish but what's VST and VST3 plugins for. I have that in Adobe but empty.
Bobbsy
Boring Old Git
Actually Audition has a very good selection of useful effects for mixing and mastering. I'd strongly suggest you learn to use what you have and THEN if you want different/more make an informed choice.
VST and VST3 are types of plugins you can get--there's a good selection of free ones online and also a good selection of ones for sale, some going for four figure price.
FYI, I've been using Audition (and it's predecessor Cool Edit) for something like 18 years and only have four or five plug ins beyond what Audition provides natively. The trick is learning HOW to use them.
VST and VST3 are types of plugins you can get--there's a good selection of free ones online and also a good selection of ones for sale, some going for four figure price.
FYI, I've been using Audition (and it's predecessor Cool Edit) for something like 18 years and only have four or five plug ins beyond what Audition provides natively. The trick is learning HOW to use them.
BroKen_H
Re-member
Also, look for free plug ins. Variety of Sound has several including Density mk3 that are great for mastering yourself. SEE THIS LINK
LOUDMAX is a pretty decent limiter.
Lots of others out there. Hit your search engine up.
LOUDMAX is a pretty decent limiter.
Lots of others out there. Hit your search engine up.
Bobbsy
Boring Old Git
Just for the record, Audition already has an excellent brickwall limiter if that's what's needed. (Effects/Amplitude and Compression/Hard Limiter) I've never felt the need to find anything else.
Audition also has at least three different compressors, the standard one, a tube modelled comp and a multiband comp, the second two provided by Izotope and sounding really good.
I'm not saying there aren't excellent plug ins out there--and once you know what you're listening for you can take an informed decision. However, at this stage, the OP should be exploring and learning to use what he's already got.
Audition also has at least three different compressors, the standard one, a tube modelled comp and a multiband comp, the second two provided by Izotope and sounding really good.
I'm not saying there aren't excellent plug ins out there--and once you know what you're listening for you can take an informed decision. However, at this stage, the OP should be exploring and learning to use what he's already got.
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Saloje
New member
Well i'v come to the point when i realised that i'm gonna need a pair of monitors for this kinda work. Any suggestions and what to keep in mind when choosing the right ones. I probably wont be buying the most expensive
Thx
Thx
BroKen_H
Re-member
Some basic guidelines on monitors: 1) Bear in mind your room size. M-Audio M3-8s at 220w each will blow your ear drums out in a 1500 cu ft room (personal experience). 2) Fives normally need a subwoofer, so the savings goes out the window when you add the cost of one in. There are VERY notable exceptions to this rule. 3) Most stores will allow you to listen to multiple sets. My local GC let me set up 12 different units in their "vault" where the loud guitar amps are...listen to several sets and take your own CD/flash drive. 4) An SPL meter (even an app for your phone) will help you get accurate listening. Listening to them at their defaults out of a set source may not be relative. Pick a few levels (55, 75, 90), adjust the volume and listen at those levels for a few minutes, then take a little break to get your ears back. Don't overload.
Set a budget. Probably $500 will get you a decent pair, maybe a little less. $600 better, $1000 great...Note that the Behringer's I list below are only $400 per pair...good place to start.
Some monitors to watch for. LSR 308 from JBL is very popular (and for good reason), Behringer B3031A (very good sound at a very reasonable price), Rokit 8 (be sure they are Gen 3). Listen to several, as your taste may not match up to mine or others'. Try Adam 7, Yamaha HS7 or 8, etc.
If you can afford a little more budget, look at Focal, Event, Genelec and a raft of others (about $1000 and up per pair with these)
Set a budget. Probably $500 will get you a decent pair, maybe a little less. $600 better, $1000 great...Note that the Behringer's I list below are only $400 per pair...good place to start.
Some monitors to watch for. LSR 308 from JBL is very popular (and for good reason), Behringer B3031A (very good sound at a very reasonable price), Rokit 8 (be sure they are Gen 3). Listen to several, as your taste may not match up to mine or others'. Try Adam 7, Yamaha HS7 or 8, etc.
If you can afford a little more budget, look at Focal, Event, Genelec and a raft of others (about $1000 and up per pair with these)
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Saloje
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Thx mate for tips
Any of you know is it good to put plugins in proces of recording vocals for some reason or i can just add them later when processing track. If Yes anny suggestions on getting good natural feemale vocal plugins i should use ?
Vocal Rider seems like a nice plugin.What do you think ?
Thx for reply
Peace brothers
Thx mate for tips
Any of you know is it good to put plugins in proces of recording vocals for some reason or i can just add them later when processing track. If Yes anny suggestions on getting good natural feemale vocal plugins i should use ?
Vocal Rider seems like a nice plugin.What do you think ?
Thx for reply
Peace brothers
Bobbsy
Boring Old Git
Don't record tracks with effects already on them. This prevents doing changes later when you listen critically to the mix. Add effects as required while mixing.
With respect, you seem to be looking for a magic "make it sound good" plug in. There's no such thing. You need to put in the effort to learn how to use things like compression, EQ and reverb so you can control what's happening to your sound.
With respect, you seem to be looking for a magic "make it sound good" plug in. There's no such thing. You need to put in the effort to learn how to use things like compression, EQ and reverb so you can control what's happening to your sound.