mx_mx
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Cannot be displayedbennychico11 said:
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mx_mx said:
that would be because it was 7am when I made the hyperlinks...sorry
They're corrected, thanks.
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Mistral
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SouthSIDE Glen said:
Man you crack me up. First of all, what benefit would there be for this company purposely handing out fake advice as some kind of practical joke? The egg would be in their own face.. the mag may be dated April, 2005 but how many people read it on the 1st? Nor is the 1st the date of issue in terms of its regular circulation.. Are we supposed to believe they'd decide to run a month-long April Fool's of sorts?
Also when I said that you don't care to share your thoughts on compression in this thread, I understood just fine what you said. But this is a different discussion, and I raised some specific questions. There are twenty billion threads on the subject, if I wanted to read people's general opinions on compression, (which by the way, I often do.) And in my originally post I specifically said we're talking DIGITAL, and even if I didn't it should be obvious we're talking about digital because it's a computer recording mag, dealing with DAW's and plugins.
so as you might imagine, I really don't appreciate the condescending connotations of your post..
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Robert D
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SouthSIDE Glen said:Coincidence?
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That's right baby... I put the grrrrrr in swinger!
Speaking of Coincidences, Mistral.....do you think it was just coincedence that I asked if it was the April issue? I don't know for sure that it was an april fools joke, but as has been pointed out, it would hardly be the first time it's been done, and yes, they do that even though people don't necessarily read it exactly on April 1st, and yes, even though it stays in the mag all month. That's just the nature of a monthly periodical.
If it wasn't a joke, it was simply a mixing stratagy that runs counter to the way most people would go about it, and you should just ignore it. Shame on the editor for allowing the artical to print as a guide to mixing, but the world is full of bad advice. If it's got your hackles up, a letter to the editor would be a good idea to be proactive about it. Make it clear that printing such bad advice will lose you and many others readers.
SouthSIDE Glen
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Yes.Mistral said:
This wouldn't be the first time it may have been done and it almost certainly wont be the last. Much bigger and more respected magazines than "Computer Recording" have done it. Even in our small-market industry, EQ magazine has done it in the past as well.
The quotes you attribute to those articles are so ridiculous and obviously over-the-top, that one can't help but sound condescending to someone who fell for it hook, line and sinker - even if that was not my intent - and who continues to fall for it even after the joke has been revealed.
For the record, in the digital domain there is no such thing as "in the red." (The color scheme on Sonar's meters notwithstanding.) That single quote right there should be a tip off that the article is questionable at best. That is why I asked about whether you were talking about analog or digital...I was actually trying to give you and the magazine the benefit of a doubt.
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Umm...mistral said:
Southside's one cool dood~ Seriously!
Benevolent contributor to this fine bbs.
Now me on the other hand.....
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If expecting a publication to at least *try* to be factual according to their beliefs constitutes falling for something, then so be it.. I still see no evidence, through further examination of the magazine, or its website & forums, of them ever doing an April Fool's joke.. perhaps you might consider that they actually are just that stupid...
As for what you said about there being no such thing as "in the red" in the digital domain... what's your reasoning behind that? Obviously there is a point where the signal clips and becomes distorted. Look at any DAW, Sonar and otherwise, and they use this red zone to mark when you are getting dangerously close to the 0 db threshold.. It may represent something else in analog, but the whole term in itself is just that, a representation.
As for what you said about there being no such thing as "in the red" in the digital domain... what's your reasoning behind that? Obviously there is a point where the signal clips and becomes distorted. Look at any DAW, Sonar and otherwise, and they use this red zone to mark when you are getting dangerously close to the 0 db threshold.. It may represent something else in analog, but the whole term in itself is just that, a representation.
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Oh, I'm not saying anything negative about the guy.. to be honest it isn't often I can be arsed to make a thread, because I am not one of those people who goes and asks crap when 99% of the time the answers already exist somewhere on the forum. So as dull as the subject matter I chose may be, I at least felt the questions were relevant, and didn't expect this whole "April Fools" tangent... 'tis all.cellardweller said:
fraserhutch
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Get over yourself.Mistral said:
scrubs
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The April Fool's "tangent" is being proposed because that's clearly what CM was doing. Whether or not you "believe" it or "get" it is up to you.
As for the compression discussion: compress as little or as much as you need to achieve the sound you want. If something is demanding to be squished into oblivion to sound "right" to you, then do it. If it doesn't need compression, don't use it.
As for the compression discussion: compress as little or as much as you need to achieve the sound you want. If something is demanding to be squished into oblivion to sound "right" to you, then do it. If it doesn't need compression, don't use it.
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Excuse me? A bit out of left field.. if you have nothing constructive to contribute don't bother posting.fraserhutch said:
Edit: he even went so far as to dock my user rating. Geez grow up.
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The only argument anyone has given is that "other mags have done it, bla bla bla".. It being an April issue means precisely squat and is completely irrelevant until someone can point out a source.. You all are just jumping in to back up your forum buddies because if they say so it MUST be true... give me a break, learn to think for yourselves.scrubs said:
scrubs
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Mistral said:
Give me a break and pull your head out of your ass. Regardless of whether other magazines have done it or not, it is clearly a joke and you fell for it. Deal.
bennychico11
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here, to solve this little spat I wrote an e-mail to Computer Music inquiring about this issue. Here was their response:
Dear Ben,
Thank you for your taking interest in our magazine. In regards to your question about our April 2005 issue containing the article Computer Music's Guide to Mixing, some of the comments were intended as an April Fools joke. We have many readers of our magazine and many of them already understand the fundamentals of digital music mixing and assumed anyone reading it would find it funny. We in no way thought it would receive the attention that it has and sincerely apologize if you or those you mentioned have taken it seriously.
We have since published a correction in a more recent issue explaining the joke and also have published on our website a more 'serious' guide to mixing that we hope you read.
Please contact us if you have any further question or Computer Music related needs.
Regards,
Thomas Eaton
Public Relations
Dear Ben,
Thank you for your taking interest in our magazine. In regards to your question about our April 2005 issue containing the article Computer Music's Guide to Mixing, some of the comments were intended as an April Fools joke. We have many readers of our magazine and many of them already understand the fundamentals of digital music mixing and assumed anyone reading it would find it funny. We in no way thought it would receive the attention that it has and sincerely apologize if you or those you mentioned have taken it seriously.
We have since published a correction in a more recent issue explaining the joke and also have published on our website a more 'serious' guide to mixing that we hope you read.
Please contact us if you have any further question or Computer Music related needs.
Regards,
Thomas Eaton
Public Relations
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Robert D
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Hey Mistral, what's up dude? Your strung a little tightly, take it down a notch. There's no conspiracy here, nobody's ganging up on you, and we all know how to think for ourselves just fine. Do You? If there's a clique here, I sure as hell ain't in it. But you need to either go back to the search function you mentioned or be civil when you engage people here. I'd rather talk to the "99% who ask crap" than someone who comes off with the attitude you brought in here. If you know it all, then you certainly don't need to waste your time with us anyway.
JeffLancaster
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bennychico11 said:
Well, I tried: "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to bennychico11 again."
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Mistral
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I said I'd accept it if someone provided some sort of concrete evidence that it was in fact a joke, and I do. In fact I wrote an e-mail of my own to the magazine, because I was open to the notion. And don't misquote me. If that's what you're judging me based on.. I said "ask crap when 99% of the time the answer exists elsewhere on the forum".. you act as if that is insulting to someone. My point was this, and only this, that I don't tend to make a lot of threads, and one of the few topics I do bring up, people are acting like "oh, you should have known" without providing anything to back it up. Did anyone say "Well they explained it in issue so-and-so"? Nope. Just "you clearly fell for it! ha haw!" So I'm the bad guy? Something odd there..Robert D said:
Cheers to Benny though for actually providing something useful in his posts.
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Mistral said:
oh, I meant to tack on to the end of that post....
Happy May Fools Day
...and now comes the red, bad rep...but I was making a point
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In other words your letter was made up - no surprise considering no contact email by that name exists on their site or in the magazine, and it's the middle of the night.. to be frank I'd have called you on it but I figured, just more flamebait if I do. Good job though, sounded like something they might say.
Nevertheless, point taken. If I do receive a real response though I'll be sure to post it here..
Nevertheless, point taken. If I do receive a real response though I'll be sure to post it here..
fraserhutch
Flypaper for freaks
No I didn't then, but I just did now. Check it out, I signed it, which means I could not have sent you rep before.Mistral said: