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fimpen
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just noticed that this is my 50th post. 50 posts since september 2000. funny, isn't it?
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sjoko2
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SSL is a overrated console that sounds completely inferior to its 2 main (similar priced) competitors, Neve and AMEK 9098.
I've never managed to record anything on an SSL that has not annoyed the hell out of me.
I've never managed to record anything on an SSL that has not annoyed the hell out of me.
Paul881
Look Mom, I can play!
When I asked for opinions on Mackie vs Soundcraft, to my surprise, I got a lot of people saying that the Pre's on the soundcraft were far superiour to the Mackie.
sjoko2
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Paul881 said:
That's because those people were all right
Paul881
Look Mom, I can play!
To what extent are they right? Why are the s/craft pre's better? I am interested cos I am just about to place my cash down and buy one.
sjoko2
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better specification, better build quality and the most important thing: they SOUND better, which is what its all about.
So, by the way, does the Soundcraft's EQ.
Saying all that - in my opinion you should not part with your $$'s until you have also seriously considered an A & H, which is SUBSTANTIALLY better (sounding) full stop.
So, by the way, does the Soundcraft's EQ.
Saying all that - in my opinion you should not part with your $$'s until you have also seriously considered an A & H, which is SUBSTANTIALLY better (sounding) full stop.
nwsoundman
Vintage Gear Junkie
Mackie - No balanced direct outs, wide bandwidth lo mid eq (2 friggin octaves), poor summing, high pass sucks, meter bridge sucks, and I probably missed some more.
For the money I guess they are ok but for the heart of your studio spend a few extra bucks and get a good board.
JMHO
For the money I guess they are ok but for the heart of your studio spend a few extra bucks and get a good board.
JMHO
nwsoundman
Vintage Gear Junkie
sjoko2
Do you prefer the A&H over the Ghost? If so why? I am trying to decide on a new console. Either a A&H, Ghost, or a used large frame.
Thanks
Do you prefer the A&H over the Ghost? If so why? I am trying to decide on a new console. Either a A&H, Ghost, or a used large frame.
Thanks
sjoko2
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Oh dear
Now you opened a whole can of worms.........
an A&H, a Ghost or a used large frame ???
In my opinion only listening will tell you the difference between an A & H and a soundcraft.
Listening is the primary test - after that look at the features
2 years ago I put a new console in a friend's club in Hollywood (the Gig). That place has 2 to 3 acts a night, 7 days a week. We ended up with a ghost and an A & H side by side. The VERY clear winner was an A & H, I think it was a GL4000.
but.......... then you said or a used large frame.......
In which case consider that both a Ghost and an A & H are essentially live consoles. And......... this is a time of economic problems for a lot of people, there are some good bargains to be had. A friend of mine just bought an AMEK Rembrand, 32 ch plus patchbay, in perfect condition, for under 10K. Now you're talking!
Start looking around......... AMEK Mozart, Angela, Rembrand, then Cadac, Neotec, Trident, all wonderful cool stuff, much much better for recording than any A&H or Soundcraft.
Just a quick add-on, on the Odyssey website, under used consoles, look at the D & R Triton!! for under 14k, with full patchbay?? Oh jeeeeeeeeeeeeeez I'd love that baby If I had any spare cash I'd get it myself.
If you want to set up a real studio without going fully digital, that's the way to go. Just consider that you will have to service and maintain any analogue gear- can you do that?
Good starting point is a place like Odyssey http://www.odysseyprosound.com/used.html#con
Now you opened a whole can of worms.........an A&H, a Ghost or a used large frame ???
In my opinion only listening will tell you the difference between an A & H and a soundcraft.
Listening is the primary test - after that look at the features
2 years ago I put a new console in a friend's club in Hollywood (the Gig). That place has 2 to 3 acts a night, 7 days a week. We ended up with a ghost and an A & H side by side. The VERY clear winner was an A & H, I think it was a GL4000.
but.......... then you said or a used large frame.......
In which case consider that both a Ghost and an A & H are essentially live consoles. And......... this is a time of economic problems for a lot of people, there are some good bargains to be had. A friend of mine just bought an AMEK Rembrand, 32 ch plus patchbay, in perfect condition, for under 10K. Now you're talking!
Start looking around......... AMEK Mozart, Angela, Rembrand, then Cadac, Neotec, Trident, all wonderful cool stuff, much much better for recording than any A&H or Soundcraft.
Just a quick add-on, on the Odyssey website, under used consoles, look at the D & R Triton!! for under 14k, with full patchbay?? Oh jeeeeeeeeeeeeeez I'd love that baby If I had any spare cash I'd get it myself.
If you want to set up a real studio without going fully digital, that's the way to go. Just consider that you will have to service and maintain any analogue gear- can you do that?
Good starting point is a place like Odyssey http://www.odysseyprosound.com/used.html#con
sjoko2
New member
A quick add-on, If you look at the Odyssey site, under used consoles, look at the D & R Triton!!
Under 14k with a full bay, automation, computer and monitors?
That looks sexy!! and they sound awsome!! If I had any spare cash..............
Under 14k with a full bay, automation, computer and monitors?
That looks sexy!! and they sound awsome!! If I had any spare cash..............
nwsoundman
Vintage Gear Junkie
Big ol can
Thanks sjoko,
I am still pondering going totally digital. Man It took along time to accept recording to a digital media. I feel that if I go digital I should become a mixing facility mainly. I love tracking more than mixing. I was looking at used Ameks as well as Tritons. I thought of a smaller console as a band aid untill I decided to do pure digital or pure analogue.
As for the maintanence, no prob there. And yes it is a buyers market, lots of good deals. Thats what scares me some. Makes you wonder if going digital is way to do it.
Thanks for your insight regarding the Ghost and the A&H.
Thanks sjoko,
I am still pondering going totally digital. Man It took along time to accept recording to a digital media. I feel that if I go digital I should become a mixing facility mainly. I love tracking more than mixing. I was looking at used Ameks as well as Tritons. I thought of a smaller console as a band aid untill I decided to do pure digital or pure analogue.
As for the maintanence, no prob there. And yes it is a buyers market, lots of good deals. Thats what scares me some. Makes you wonder if going digital is way to do it.
Thanks for your insight regarding the Ghost and the A&H.
sjoko2
New member
Its an increasingly interesting choice, digital or analogue.
I've gone totally digital, and I would always want to record to a digital media in preference to analogue, and I would always want to mix in the digital domain.
Which leaves the front end, and here, of cause, the best of all worlds would be to go through a top quality analogue "part" like an API, Neve or Trident
So if you add it all up - there really is no difference in price between analogue and digital if you want to do it right.
I've gone totally digital, and I would always want to record to a digital media in preference to analogue, and I would always want to mix in the digital domain.
Which leaves the front end, and here, of cause, the best of all worlds would be to go through a top quality analogue "part" like an API, Neve or Trident
So if you add it all up - there really is no difference in price between analogue and digital if you want to do it right.
Speeddemon
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sjoko2 said:
Although you're right about the A&H, the Ghost is NOT a pure live console. Go check out www.soundcraft.co.uk,you'll find the Ghost next to the Studio 328 under studio consoles...
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MiXit-G
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I love my soundcraft 
sjoko2
New member
Speeddemon said:
Note - I said essentially. It might not be a pure live console, it definately is not a pure recording console either...... Just look at the features/layout/specs.
Middleman
Professional Amateur
Well, not to get off subject but bear with me, I use the Behringer MX602A and a Soundcraft Powerpad. The Behringer is slightly noisier than a Mackie when I A/B'd them in the store. The MX was less expensive so I went with it. Wish I had gotten the Mackie as the MX tends to clip hard past a certain volume level and I would like to see this on the Mackie before I bought one.
The Soundcraft Powerpad is way beyond both the MX and the Mackie. Very clean though not as good as the higher end Soundcraft models of course. When I push the levels it just keeps getting louder with minimal breakup which I find nice. I use it for all Audio in and the MX for headphone mix. The Powerpad has smoother EQ, not as harsh sounding. Quality wise better than a similar Mackie or MX
Now all of this is at the low end of these manufacturers lines but you did not specify how much you wanted to spend.
I vote Soundcraft.. and no effects on the board, unless you do live clubs and want to save on hauling weight. With all the plug-ins and outboard gear available I would rather use these to mix things up a bit versus using just the effects that come with most boards.
Not sure wether you meant EQ when you said fx?
The Soundcraft Powerpad is way beyond both the MX and the Mackie. Very clean though not as good as the higher end Soundcraft models of course. When I push the levels it just keeps getting louder with minimal breakup which I find nice. I use it for all Audio in and the MX for headphone mix. The Powerpad has smoother EQ, not as harsh sounding. Quality wise better than a similar Mackie or MX
Now all of this is at the low end of these manufacturers lines but you did not specify how much you wanted to spend.
I vote Soundcraft.. and no effects on the board, unless you do live clubs and want to save on hauling weight. With all the plug-ins and outboard gear available I would rather use these to mix things up a bit versus using just the effects that come with most boards.
Not sure wether you meant EQ when you said fx?
Paul881
Look Mom, I can play!
That was a very helpful post middleman. Looks like it will be the soundcraft but I am still wresling with either the sx model with no fx or the fx with the built in Lexicon fx. As space is at a premium, I might well go for the fx 16 version. Unless someone can give me a really solid reason not to.
Thanks to everyone for posting their advice, I appreciate it.
Thanks to everyone for posting their advice, I appreciate it.
tubedude
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Paul, the M-series is what you are after. Dont screw around and regret it later. A tad bit more expensive than a Mackie, but barely.
Chris Fallen
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Yeah, I'm probably definately go for a soundcraft, either M8 or M12 (there's only 150$ difference). Anyway, everyone keep you opinions and experiences coming about everykind of mixer. This thread is really helpful and has a lot of great stuff.
Christopher
Christopher
Paul881
Look Mom, I can play!
Why the M series? It lacks EQ bypass and pre/post switching on Aux1 & 2. Whats the advantage over the sx or fx? But it does have spdif I/O.