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c9-2001
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NOtyler657recpro said:
i don't think there are any studio monitors that have flat pistin cones...most pistin cones are on subwoofers too
i don't think there are any studio monitors that have flat pistin cones...most pistin cones are on subwoofers too
tyler657recpro
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Re: Monitors
So you've owned/listened to monitors such as ADAM Studio Monitors, Westlake Audio Monitors, higher end Genelecs (meaning not the 1029's), Meyer HD-1's, etc; and yet you're favorites are still the mackies. I think that's a bit of an overstatement.
And I thought all mackies have EAW drivers in 'em. I could be wrong, but that's what I thought. It could be different for the monitors.
analogelectric said:
So you've owned/listened to monitors such as ADAM Studio Monitors, Westlake Audio Monitors, higher end Genelecs (meaning not the 1029's), Meyer HD-1's, etc; and yet you're favorites are still the mackies. I think that's a bit of an overstatement.
And I thought all mackies have EAW drivers in 'em. I could be wrong, but that's what I thought. It could be different for the monitors.
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littledog
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Re: Monitors
Damn! I'm impressed. The way I figure it, that means you've spent over $4 million dollars!!!
analogelectric said:
Damn! I'm impressed. The way I figure it, that means you've spent over $4 million dollars!!!
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analogelectric
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Re: Re: Monitors
Okay, sarcasm is being slung.
Yes, I've owned about 15 different monitors. I'm talking about monitors within the same league as the Mackies. I'm not talking huge Westlakes like I've heard at Pachyderm or Magneto Mastering's ATC SCM 100 monitors etc..
I mean in comparison to Tannoy, JBL, Genelec, Alesis, and so on.
Near/Mid field monitors.
C'mon people, give me a break.
The Mackie's have Genelec drivers (at least mine do). I don't know if they changed that recently. When I do recordings for other studios I do bring the Mackies for near/mid field and most of the managers like them over what they use.
Does that clarify it a bit better?
I'm kind of miffed by the responses to my post. I'm not an idiot making outrageous claims. I have spent almost $500,000 on gear in the past 8 years, (just ask my accountant). If I'm going to reply to anything on this board I guess I need to clarify my statements if people feel the need to 'call me out'.
Ya know, some things on this board really rub me the wrong way and I think today it personally rubbed me the wrong way. I never thought Mackie monitors would perform as well as they have for me, that's all. Yes, I've heard and A/B'd against some of the 'best' monitors for the same applications with my Mackies and I prefer the Mackies.
Good Christ it feels sometimes on this board that some people feel like they have to 'put people in their place'.
Screw it, I don't know you people personally and you don't know me. I don't see any suggestions you might have. All I see is an assault on me. Do you really think I was talking about comparisons with high-end monitors that reach in the $10,000 range? No.
C'mon we're all in this together. Use your judgment.
I record for a living. I've engineered and/or produced reputable albums. The Mackie's serve me well and that's what I like to use based on my act of finding the right monitor's for me.
So whatever. Take it for what it is.
--Adam "overstatement" Lazlo
Okay, sarcasm is being slung.
Yes, I've owned about 15 different monitors. I'm talking about monitors within the same league as the Mackies. I'm not talking huge Westlakes like I've heard at Pachyderm or Magneto Mastering's ATC SCM 100 monitors etc..
I mean in comparison to Tannoy, JBL, Genelec, Alesis, and so on.
Near/Mid field monitors.
C'mon people, give me a break.
The Mackie's have Genelec drivers (at least mine do). I don't know if they changed that recently. When I do recordings for other studios I do bring the Mackies for near/mid field and most of the managers like them over what they use.
Does that clarify it a bit better?
I'm kind of miffed by the responses to my post. I'm not an idiot making outrageous claims. I have spent almost $500,000 on gear in the past 8 years, (just ask my accountant). If I'm going to reply to anything on this board I guess I need to clarify my statements if people feel the need to 'call me out'.
Ya know, some things on this board really rub me the wrong way and I think today it personally rubbed me the wrong way. I never thought Mackie monitors would perform as well as they have for me, that's all. Yes, I've heard and A/B'd against some of the 'best' monitors for the same applications with my Mackies and I prefer the Mackies.
Good Christ it feels sometimes on this board that some people feel like they have to 'put people in their place'.
Screw it, I don't know you people personally and you don't know me. I don't see any suggestions you might have. All I see is an assault on me. Do you really think I was talking about comparisons with high-end monitors that reach in the $10,000 range? No.
C'mon we're all in this together. Use your judgment.
I record for a living. I've engineered and/or produced reputable albums. The Mackie's serve me well and that's what I like to use based on my act of finding the right monitor's for me.
So whatever. Take it for what it is.
--Adam "overstatement" Lazlo
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littledog
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Dear "Overstatement" (can I call you "AOL" for short?):
It was certainly nothing personal. I was just having a little fun. Not like I said anything about your family, you know...
Sometimes after a long day some of us need a little light-hearted release. Wasn't intended to be at your expense.
Tell you what: I'll try and be a little more sensitive and caring, if you try to lighten up.
Or maybe we can just change the name of this place to:
www.do-not-joke-about-serious-shit-like-monitors.com
It was certainly nothing personal. I was just having a little fun. Not like I said anything about your family, you know...
Sometimes after a long day some of us need a little light-hearted release. Wasn't intended to be at your expense.
Tell you what: I'll try and be a little more sensitive and caring, if you try to lighten up.
Or maybe we can just change the name of this place to:
www.do-not-joke-about-serious-shit-like-monitors.com
tyler657recpro
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Re: Re: Re: Monitors
You spent that much on gear, and you bought MACKIES! I realize that's over 8 years, but seriously, I think you could manage your funds better than that. Maybe you shouldn't have bought 15 pairs of monitors and used that money to get a nice pair of HD-1's.
I'm wondering how reputable those albums were, given your gear selection.
[/B]analogelectric said:
You spent that much on gear, and you bought MACKIES! I realize that's over 8 years, but seriously, I think you could manage your funds better than that. Maybe you shouldn't have bought 15 pairs of monitors and used that money to get a nice pair of HD-1's.
I'm wondering how reputable those albums were, given your gear selection.
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Henri Devill
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Tyler...I think that analogelectric's work is prob. pretty good !I also think that your post is a little insulting
I'm sure that he doesn't need me to defend him ..But really..
Don
I'm sure that he doesn't need me to defend him ..But really..Don
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ambi
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Tyler no offense but your an ignorant child. Seriously i guess there is no way to say that non offensivley but you're conversing with mostly adults and it's easy to see. Be really fucking modest and open minded and don't say stupid shit to people who probably know more than you ever will. You've got a big head son keep it in check or it's gonna give you a lot of problems.
DeadPoet
carpe diem
coming back to the thread... I had the money (well... actually I had some pretty good excuses 
) to buy me a pair of Gen1031's, and the rock. Over here in Belgium the Mackies are difficult to find, and I only found a pair in a store a few weeks after I bought the 1031's. they're cheaper, and not what I was looking for in a monitor.
The 1031 is scaring the shit out of me when re-listening to all my cd's, I've never heard this many click-track count-offs in music before !!! (check out Lenny Kravitz, Heaven help, track #4 on Are you gonna go my way...
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+ I rather had a speaker set that lasts me forever than going a cheaper and having to change in a year or 5.
Herwig
(edit: track #5, right channel on the same disk as well
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) to buy me a pair of Gen1031's, and the rock. Over here in Belgium the Mackies are difficult to find, and I only found a pair in a store a few weeks after I bought the 1031's. they're cheaper, and not what I was looking for in a monitor. The 1031 is scaring the shit out of me when re-listening to all my cd's, I've never heard this many click-track count-offs in music before !!! (check out Lenny Kravitz, Heaven help, track #4 on Are you gonna go my way...
)+ I rather had a speaker set that lasts me forever than going a cheaper and having to change in a year or 5.
Herwig
(edit: track #5, right channel on the same disk as well
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lucid
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littledog said:
hey man that link doesn't work
tyler, shut the fuck up.
tyler657recpro
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ambi said:
Ok, I tried to say it in a nice way. But I obviously wasn't clear. You spent a half a million bucks on crap! Ok, so you need to get your business going. Let's say you start out with 25 grand. You buy modest equiptment, including the mackies, maybe a soundcraft ghost console, some descent mics, a daw or an old otari, enough to get you going. I've got no problem with that. Then you work your way up from there. Gradually upgrading stuff. You don't keep buying SHIT. You maybe upgrade that console to a Trident 80B, or Amek BIG, or a Sony DMX100 (all about 20 grand). Get some real monitors, Meyer HD-1's, Genelec 1031's, etc (3 grand). Maybe a RADAR or Protools system(25 grand). various mics (35 grand; and that doesn't have to be all at once), pres (20g), anyway... my point is, you coulda spent your money a lot better bub. Unless of course yer lyin, which would be my guess. You're talkin 500 grand on gear! That's not even your studio, which is gonna cost a ton more. Even if you shoved in instruments to sound more impressive, let's say you really spent 200 grand on gear. That's still enough money to get a pretty decent studio. No neve's, but there's still some decent stuff out there for that much. There are moderators on PSW that are workin on that kind of budget.
Ambi, I don't think I'm out of line here at all in making these statements. And what the hell did you mean by "you're conversing with mostly adults here and it's easy to see." Yeah, uh, I know that. I'm not stupid. I've never been that impressed by you anyway, so I'd stop making statements based on my age if I were you. Thanks for tellin me my head is big, I'm aware of that, and I kept it "in check" for that post. All I'm sayin is that if he really went through 15 pairs of monitors, let's say averageing 500 bucks a shot, totaling 7500 bucks, and ended up with mackies, he's a fucking idiot. That was a total waste of money.
I believe analogelectric is full of shit, and that's where I stand.
tyler657recpro
Member
Ok, I retract my last statement in that last post. I had a look at his website, and I'd say that he's more than likely legit.
Too bad it looks like he's done exactly what I said someone in his position shoulda done! The only exception was the monitors, about which, I am correct.
Now that that's straight, continue on talking about blue skies.
<ego>
Oh hey, FUCK YOU ambi! I bet I know more than you!
</ego>
Ahh, that felt good!!!
Too bad it looks like he's done exactly what I said someone in his position shoulda done! The only exception was the monitors, about which, I am correct.
Now that that's straight, continue on talking about blue skies.
<ego>
Oh hey, FUCK YOU ambi! I bet I know more than you!
</ego>
Ahh, that felt good!!!
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ambi
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Tyler no offense but what i was sayin is that you have a lot to learn. You obviously don't know shit and you put your foot in your mouth all of the time. Mostly the adults in here acknowledge the fact that they don't know shit and are very humble about it. They kindly ask questions and are greatful for responses, and don't go acting like they know everything. I'm not too concerned if you're not too "impressed" with me, because i'm not exactly here to impress people. I'm here to learn. I never claim to be a "recording pro", or talk about how much more i know than other people.
And what i meant about mostly adults is that you sound like a cocky ignorant child in most of your posts. As a child you don't see this. And yes you're right age isn't always a factor, i'm sure there are lots of kids your age that don't seem like children. But you do and the way you present yourself in your posts leaves a lot to be desired.
"You spent a half a million bucks on crap!"
So he said he bought a pair of mackies, and since they aren't top fo the line you assume that every other penny he spent was on crap? Wake up buddy. If he has half a million to spend on gear and makes a living using it i'm guessing he knows a hell of a lot more than me and you. And if not why not give him the benefit of the doubt and not try to insult him by saying he doesn't know what he's doing.
Assumptions only lead to errors. You assume way too much. I doubt you'll understand anything from this beyond "Ambi is a cocksucker who think's im not a pro just cause i'm a child" or something like that. But maybe you'll get something out of it... doubtful, but maybe. And i have no beef against you, i don't hate you, i just got pissed off by your mannerism. If you take any of this as a personal insult i appaulogize. I'm sure some of it was insulting but hey lifes a bitch.
And what i meant about mostly adults is that you sound like a cocky ignorant child in most of your posts. As a child you don't see this. And yes you're right age isn't always a factor, i'm sure there are lots of kids your age that don't seem like children. But you do and the way you present yourself in your posts leaves a lot to be desired.
"You spent a half a million bucks on crap!"
So he said he bought a pair of mackies, and since they aren't top fo the line you assume that every other penny he spent was on crap? Wake up buddy. If he has half a million to spend on gear and makes a living using it i'm guessing he knows a hell of a lot more than me and you. And if not why not give him the benefit of the doubt and not try to insult him by saying he doesn't know what he's doing.
Assumptions only lead to errors. You assume way too much. I doubt you'll understand anything from this beyond "Ambi is a cocksucker who think's im not a pro just cause i'm a child" or something like that. But maybe you'll get something out of it... doubtful, but maybe. And i have no beef against you, i don't hate you, i just got pissed off by your mannerism. If you take any of this as a personal insult i appaulogize. I'm sure some of it was insulting but hey lifes a bitch.
sweetnubs
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tyler, thee nubs will now refer to as "tryer". I have meyer hd-1's and although they are nice monitors I prefer ns10's. The ghost console is a peice of junk as far as I'm concerned and if you could afford the 5,000 or 6,000 for a new one you'd be stupid not to buy a used console for around the same price that is better. If I remember correctly the ghost isn't even modular. i recently saw a neotek elan go for 6,500 and a meyer console go for 8,000. The Amek Big is a peice of junk too. Genelecs are usable but I'm not extremely fond of them . Although i like tridents I wouldn't want to mix exlusively on one. Your suggestions sound like bunk to me. later tryer.
tyler657recpro
Member
sweetnubs said:
Where did you see an Elan go for 6500 bucks? I woulda bought it! I always see em for in the 15g's. Oh well, it was probably a piece of shit. You don't get somethin for nothin.
You know what I don't get, is how you guys always totally miss the fucking point. It always comes down to proving that I'm just a tryer. ALL I WAS FUCKING SAYING IS THAT HE COULDA SPENT HIS FUCKING MONEY BETTER!!! You don't buy 15 pairs of shit monitors. EVER!
sweetnubs
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shit I know of someone selling an Elan for $8500 right now and it is in good shape. that's still a good deal. Good used low end pro analog consoles are going for cheap right now 'cause everyone thinks that mackie's and ghosts and low end allen and heath's are actually good or they are buying sequencers and control surfaces. The funniest ones are stupid hip-hoppers that look at older consoles and think they are no good 'cause they look old. "Give me big stepped gain knobs and removable channel strips or give me death"
Sonic Misfit
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About 8 months ago, I went on a quest to buy monitors for a second studio. I have HR824s in the first one and thought that maybe there was something out there that would give a better sound. I went everywhere I could to listen to monitors, stores, studios, peoples houses, etc. I read everything I could find rating monitors. I ended up buying another set of HR824s.
I was disappointed in a way since I had heard so much about a lot of other monitors, including the Blue Sky and was actually looking forward to something different. In the end it came down to Genelec and Mackie.
It all boils down to a matter of taste.
I was disappointed in a way since I had heard so much about a lot of other monitors, including the Blue Sky and was actually looking forward to something different. In the end it came down to Genelec and Mackie.
It all boils down to a matter of taste.
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ambi
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And then i shoved opinions down his throat.
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pashop
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pashop
I have used the Mackies for about two years and have auditioned all commers but have stayed with the Mackies.
The big recording teaching school here in Canada auditioned 12 different monitors and also purchaced 15 prs of Mackies.
Have a listen judge yourself
I have used the Mackies for about two years and have auditioned all commers but have stayed with the Mackies.
The big recording teaching school here in Canada auditioned 12 different monitors and also purchaced 15 prs of Mackies.
Have a listen judge yourself
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zallen25
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I agree with analogelectric,
I am very impressed with my HR 824's not only from other professional engineers, and specs, and price, but my ears. Simply put.......i hear more detail!
Also I would have to say that people do have their differences and their choice of words when they don't agree with you. What people have to realize is that there will always be a better product, and with the millions of variables associated with accoustic engineering there will never be "a perfect monitor".
And yes...........I am a Guitar Center employee........and i know its geared as a meat market of music, but what isn't really?.....lol. There are those that work there that don't know wtf they're talking about, and those are the ones that don't stay there long. I admit I didn't know a fraction of the stuff I know now when I started working there, but after getting into learning about accoustic engineering and all the words of mouth from experienced customers, plus getting the chance to play with all the gear I have a much clearer understanding whats good and what isn't. Most guitar center stores sell different gear than other GC stores, due to locations and needs of customers. My store doesn't sell TDM or HD only the LE products.....which sucks i think. Not every employee is a meat head........but there are a lot that know their shit.........and thats why they are there.
Remember people..............it might not be your monitors that sound bad.......
....................................it could be your ears.......................................
so if you're in this line of work, protect them with your life, and insure them too, lol...........trust me, you can.
I am very impressed with my HR 824's not only from other professional engineers, and specs, and price, but my ears. Simply put.......i hear more detail!
Also I would have to say that people do have their differences and their choice of words when they don't agree with you. What people have to realize is that there will always be a better product, and with the millions of variables associated with accoustic engineering there will never be "a perfect monitor".
And yes...........I am a Guitar Center employee........and i know its geared as a meat market of music, but what isn't really?.....lol. There are those that work there that don't know wtf they're talking about, and those are the ones that don't stay there long. I admit I didn't know a fraction of the stuff I know now when I started working there, but after getting into learning about accoustic engineering and all the words of mouth from experienced customers, plus getting the chance to play with all the gear I have a much clearer understanding whats good and what isn't. Most guitar center stores sell different gear than other GC stores, due to locations and needs of customers. My store doesn't sell TDM or HD only the LE products.....which sucks i think. Not every employee is a meat head........but there are a lot that know their shit.........and thats why they are there.
Remember people..............it might not be your monitors that sound bad.......
....................................it could be your ears.......................................
so if you're in this line of work, protect them with your life, and insure them too, lol...........trust me, you can.