Loudness War Project

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Sure. To say that the answer to 2+2 is 4 is an easy answer and it is 100% accurate.

But just because easy answers *can* sometimes be accurate doesn't mean they always *are* accurate. Your point about +4dBU is inaccurate when it comes to computer sound cards, when it comes to signals with extremely high crest factors, whether your're talking about average levels or peak levels, when it comes to consumer audio gear, in situations where you want to take advantage of circuit saturation, etc, and many more examples. I'm not being difficult or overly hard; I'm stating the truth of the real world.

Tell me, what is the best color? What is the temperature of the planet Earth? What is the best signal level? Should I run into that burning building to try and save that person? What do you mean by "best"? Why do I love that girl? What does average mean? Should I believe you? Which hobby is best for me? Give me an easy and accurate answer to any of those questions.

G.


Tell me, what is the best color?
The color that gives the most fun in the given situation.


What is the temperature of the planet Earth?
The temperature varies, look at this map for the various temperatures. The temperatures also vary in time, they cannot be predicted with 100% accuracy yet.


What is the best signal level?
A factory should know that by doing their arithmetic, not the customer.


Should I run into that burning building to try and save that person?
You should if you wouldn't die yourself.


What do you mean by "best"?
The thing that is better than all other possibilities in that particular situation.

Why do I love that girl?
There could be various elements that could explain that, the elements are: (on the left you see the element on the right the weight factor that explains how important that element is)



What does average mean?
The middle of 2 numbers, for example 2 and 6, the middle is 4.

Should I believe you?
If it is probably so that I am right then you should believe me.


Which hobby is best for me?
The hobby that gives you the most pleasure.
 
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

Since you're so keen on being given the answers by someone else instead of figuring them out for yourself, I look forward to your new book in which you pay that forward to the rest of us and give us the plain and simple answers. Especially since it's so obvious how the rest of us information Nazis, with Bob Katz as our Furher, are so lousy at it. How's that book coming?

G.
 
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...doing a project for school and need professional peoples opinions on the loudness war! Especially mastering engineers... what I need now is purely opinions from professionals...
You're in the wrong forum. Try the Gearslutz Mastering forum.

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I once wrote this letter to Bob Katz...
This is a joke, right?

Click at the top of this page on the Music Producer Pro ad. I'm sure they can turn you into a pro engineer without you having to know anything.
 
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About Einstein... He also thought it was possible to travel through time.

WRONG, very wrong. He actually said that as the speed of a travelling object increases, so does its relative weight, so much so that it is impossible to reach the speed of light, which would by his theory of relativity have to happen in order for time jumps to occur.
He said it may be THEORETICALLY possible to travel back in time if you could travel faster than the speed of light.

And notsocoolguy, XLR is right, this forum is full of people who know what they're talking about without being professionals, and people who think they know everything starting arguments.

I (hopefully) fall into neither category :D
 
Where the hell is Chessrock when you need him?

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Dear Nononsense,

If this whole audio thing is too much for you to grasp ... then perhaps you should try something else.

At it's core, none of this is nearly as difficult as you're trying to make it. So congratulations on being the guy who's turned this whole thing in to a giant clusterf@ck.
 
Why do people insist that only their way is the correct way?

The most annoying sentence ever muttered by anyone in any profession:

"Let me show you the proper way to do that..."

NO! You are attempting to show me your way of doing that. For some things, yes, there is a proper way of doing things. For most things, and music production in particular, there are as many ways to skin the cat as there are cats.
 
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[EDIT:] Ah, never mind. It's just not worth it. Message deleted.[/EDIT]

G.
 
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...I think you may be misguided to determine someone's psyche from a book they wrote.
Misguided, add naive, presumptuous .. But such an easy trap to fall into isn't it? Like now, I have this judgmental impression based on some letter that was posted..
Wow. What nonsense. ;)
 
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I didn't say it IS easy.
I am saying that the purpose is that WE WANT IT TO BE EASY. Never spoke to a person that likes it to be difficult.

I can't see the reason for having an education for making music I really don't. I want it to be as simple as possible that it comes out just like that. I don't want to study so much like I did through the years. If I knew back then how difficult it all would be, I would have been less enthousiastic about this hobby.

Just about every kid can run. They don't need to be taught; it's something they figure out naturally, without tuition. And they can run pretty fast too! In this sense, running is easy. However, if you want to make a career in running, if you want to be among the athletic elite, then simply doing what comes naturally won't do it. This is where it becomes hard work, and the elite athletes devote a huge amount of their time to training and practice.

Being an Olympian is definitely not "easy", and only the most self-centred seeker of instant gratification wants the rewards without the effort. You see this often on Idol: the aspiring popstars believing they should win because they are 'passionate' about music, who equate desire with entitlement.

Sound engineering and driving a car are both 'easy' . . . once you have acquired the knowledge and experience to make it easy. But similar conditions apply. I get by driving my car with unconscious competence through many years of driving, and likewise with my mixing. But if I aspire to Formula 1 driving, or to be amongst the elite of engineers, then I have to continue to learn more skills and how to use increasingly more sophisticated equipment.

There is no easy way out, and there are no easy answers. For example, how do you answer a question like "what's the best cornering speed?" or "when do I apply the brakes to outbreak someone I'm attempting to overtake on a corner?". These are questions that only practice, experience and familiarity with the equipment can deliver.

Some people have extraordinary natural talents. I know a keyboard player who doesn't have a clue about musical theory, nor what the keys on a piano represent. "Middle C" means nothing to him. Yet he plays piano brilliantly, improvising on the basis of what his ears tell him, and according to groupings of fingers on the keys that sound satisfying. For all his brilliance, he will not get far in the music industry until (or unless) he comes to understand what he is doing, so that if someone says "can you play a Cmaj7 here?" he will know what it means. Achieving commercial success, or even just being recognised as in the pinnacle of performers in the music industry, is extremely difficult without study, and devotion and dedication to one's craft.
 
A signal begins with noise problems mostly at ...level...-20 dBu but there are exceptions, see the exceptions list when you are interested in that.

I personally don't want to consult a bunch of exceptions lists.

I want to know what the fuck is actually happening.
 
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